CMP Umbau-Wagen

[Bob Carriere]

I agree with you David that the body panels would be easy enough to replicate. From past experience on home made dune buggy bodies a solid frame work with spot welded panels would be easy...but spray on some insulation foam inside the body work ...otherwise the sheet metal becomes like the skin on a drum and booms like crazy...... Heck they never even bothered removing the back panel to the cab.... just built right on to it.

Love the Hummer like back section with the spare on top and the drop down picnic table.......

I would use after market flat lens repro lamps for the headlights and repro Notek lamps are available from the Kubel replicar dealers in the states.... two old German rifles in the holders and you are ready for a cruise.

The canvas top should be easy to replicate as well although driving open would be more fun..... already have a full nos set of 900x16 Michelin square block pattern.....

I would like to keep the 4X4 set up if I can fit a short auto tranny....some models for vans have a very short tailshaft tube..... would favor the Chev 6 for ease of installation in the tight engine compartment.

All you need is the imagination......

........ and with imagination you never grow old.......

Bob

[Owen Evans]

Picked this up the other day, which is the first shot I've seen of the rear end.

P.S. My first attempt at posting a picture, so fingers crossed.

Owen.

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[Bob Carriere]

Hi Owen

Very nice and sharp focus. Any opinion on what the overall color is???

Best detailed picture of the rear that I have seen so far. Good idea of how the roof structure was done including the snaps. The rear door seems to be set up as a table with the two legs folded. Running boards and fuel tank looks more like a HUP tank with the rear filler neck...... could use some sheet metal plate to protect the tank from nailed boots.

Wondering if there are not more pictures of the Umbau floating around.....

Thanks again.

Bob C

Message to Robert M....... see how short the guy is...... door top is only shoulder height!!!

[r.morrison]

Mein Gott Roberto .....jew are right again! Und such tiny feet. Such a lucky boy.....Robert

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Running boards and fuel tank looks more like a HUP tank with the rear filler neck.

Message to Robert M....... see how short the guy is...... door top is only shoulder height!!!

Agreed that the tanks have fillers similar to HUP but since the front end sheet metal seems to be monkey face (and no HUP were monkey face) and most CMP captured would also have been pre-HUP, it seems unlikely they would have had enough captured HUP tanks to have been able to simply swap them on. They must have seen the same kind of access problem the HUP designers did and just come up with a similar solution. We have seen tanks where the original filler hole was soldered closed and an new filler neck added, so they could have done the same to avoid making complete new tanks. But, if you are making complete new rear bodywork to integrate to an existing cab, why not make new tanks to address the issue of the existing filler being either under the bodywork or blocking your door? You find the fuel filler on you C15A awkward to use and the same tank under Umbau-Wagen bodywork would have been worse.

When using the truck to scale the man, where does your truck come to on you? If the man were truly short, the truck would tower over him but if he is a giant, it might only reach his waist... Many of the earlier photos look to be 2 WD rather than 4WD which would make the truck lower and the man correspondingly smaller....

[Bob Carriere]

...enough of the front hub can be seen, once enlarged, between the soldiers legs......still looks short and stocky to me.

Cheers

[Owen Evans]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

......still looks short and stocky to me.

Cheers

Based on the front rim being 16 inches, I reckon he's a maximum of 5 foot, 4 inches. Probably less.

Has anyone in the know figured out the unit markings yet? I suspect german army (based on the WH number plate), but the 'V' has me beat.

Owen.

[Ganmain Tony]

Originally Posted by Owen Evans

Has anyone in the know figured out the unit markings yet? I suspect german army (based on the WH number plate), but the 'V' has me beat.

Owen.

I hope someone has an answer to that question as well Owen.

Chaps.. what do you think the paint scheme is in the picture with the two kids sitting in the back?


Be a terrific project to do..

[Ganmain Tony]

Originally Posted by Owen Evans

Based on the front rim being 16 inches, I reckon he's a maximum of 5 foot, 4 inches. Probably less.

Has anyone in the know figured out the unit markings yet? I suspect german army (based on the WH number plate), but the 'V' has me beat.

Owen.

Just going back over this thread. I may be able to shed some light on the "V" that is a marking on the Umbau Wagen in the fantastic picture supplied by Owen Evans.

I was looking at a documentary recently on the subject of the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich. That V was used in that particular font (On the back of the Umbau Wagen) when he was in charge of Bohemia and Moravia.
I believe the V was to signify Nazi victory in these regions.
I wonder if the German Vehicles assigned to that area perhaps all had that V?

Happy to be corrected or hopefully... qualified.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Owen Evans

Picked this up the other day, which is the first shot I've seen of the rear end.

P.S. My first attempt at posting a picture, so fingers crossed.

Nice find Owen, thanks for sharing!

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Any opinion on what the overall color is???

Best detailed picture of the rear that I have seen so far. Good idea of how the roof structure was done including the snaps. The rear door seems to be set up as a table with the two legs folded.

As to the colour, I am not opening a can of worms, but.... from what I know: if regulations were followed, it should be painted in Dunkelgrau Nr. 46, today referred to as RAL 7021 Schwarzgrau.

As for the folding roof, it seems they used a standard type as used on other German designs. While the body isn't exactly the same as the other Einheits-PKW, it was clearly patterned on it to fit in their classification system.