New cast Bren gun pintles

[Ben]

Thank you all for your comments

I think you have a point, any parts should be marked in an unobtrusive way. The purpose as far as I'm concerned is in no way to miss lead anyone or pass them off as anything they are not, just to help fellow carrier owners furnish their vehicles.

I think in a funny sort of way the concern you are showing just confirms how good they look compared to the original and reassures me that they will look the part once fitted to a vehicle.

Ben

[RichardT10829]

Ben i would like to thank you for doing the leg work on this, we seem to have gone from discussing production of a good quality replacement to ethics on the use of them...... god bless the human race suppose if you scribe in repro and a date on the inside, then for what ever reason if someone wants to remove them at a later date (for why i would not know) then who ever removes them can see they were not cast during the war. alternate ruin your good work by stamping in stuff in visable place...like a visible vin i suppose.....

personally i dont think this should have to be your responsibility (its a lot of extra work for you and stamping cast brass can cause breakages) IMHO its down to the individual to list down what is new and original on their carriers.... for me its all documented and i will stamp the part somehow.....so i guess if this is the case i should stamp all the armour plate ? and the segments of post war steel that i have stitched into the original platework to complete my bulkhead then there are the re rubbered wheels corr that will be a nightmare. now technically those who pilfered bits from other carriers for their own should do the same ? stamping in some denomination that indicates they were not fitted at factory...or fitted during restoration.


i am a big believer of honesty but the question must surely be raised....where do you stop ? and how do you justify where you stop ?

i will no doubt get flamed for this post but its a fair and valid thought is it not ?

we are leapyears away with this from what has been mentioned regarding ringing of chassis etc etc... this i firmly frown upon

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

Please excuse any unintentional negative inference in my comments.

Ben should take any concern about not being able to tell his parts from good condition original very much as a compliment for taking the time to do a really good job.

Might I suggest that we start a new thread, not related to any particular restoration project, to discuss how to convey the history of vehicles and their parts. The photo albums that most the restorers on this forum seem to keep document the meticulous care taken in both restoring "original" parts and the fabrication of missing or un-restoreable parts.

Cheers Phil

Again my apologies

[Lynn Eades]

Firstly Ben I think your castings look great!
Second Rich, you are right this should be a separate thread.
By the way you cant stop there. I have no idea what you are talking about with "ringing chassis" Please explain.
Some people are lucky or prepared enough to have aquired a carrier that needs a bit of paint, and the oil levels checked. A quick flick of the wrist and she's fully restored.
The other 99 out of a 100 have carriers in a different state. I see a Loyd on this forum being rebuilt (or is it "built from scratch")
I know that Ben is also pretty brave/ bold starting from where he is.
My LP will be about 20% one carrier 20% another. bits of English or Canadian
( some original parts from Canada were used anyhow) I will make a lot of bits.
I cannot find info on it to detail the dash board area. I will have to "wing it"
If I do the best I can, am I doing a restoration, or is it going to be a jalopy?
I never planned to mark any bits I make. Maybe I should be?

[George McKenzie]

In the auto restorations the drive line is the only thing that is important to keep it original .I am the second owner of a 1928 A Ford cvt that is original ,but it has a honey comb radiater and a single plate glass windsheild .Ford said he never did this in his cars .This likely was done at the factory because they probly ran out of these parts when making them so they used jobber parts. The quality of the parts that are being made for the carriers is so good I wouldn't think they would need a build date on them .

[RichardT10829]

Lynn

Sorry mate its that Geordie slang weaning its way back into my texts... "Ringer" is a term used to describe a vehicle that has had its identity changed the example (especially here in Newcastle) would be a team would find a write off car they then take the vins glass and reg plates off, they then go out and steel a car identical to the write off that they have taken the plates from.... then swap the glass the plates and reg..... then sell it... or use it for a bank job etc etc.

Shaun has touched on this with the landrovers i can tell you its rife ! mainly folk who want to avoid road tax.....same with Mini's this goes back to my comments of Georges thread regarding repro data plates.

Phil i dont think anyone has taken offence at your comments and the points you raised are certainly valid ones... as it has been stated perhaps another thread on this very subject would be best. Once again though Ben great work on the quality of the pintle mounts needless to say i will want a full set + machined (i want to be able to pop them straight onto my new armour)

[Ben]

I've just spoken with the machinist.

He wants £5 per casting to machine the holes and skim for thickness. that means a raw cast is £45 each and machined £50 each. i didn't think it's too bad a price to have the work done. there is a small hinge dowel that needs making but i'll include the drawings for this with the pintles for the folks buying them.

If anybody wants to trade parts for castings i'm open to offers, please pm me.

Thanks

Ben

[ajmac]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

or is it "built from scratch"

Not quite from scratch Lynn
There will be more original wartime parts than can be found in most airworthy WW2 aircraft....or having said that, more than all the 'original' vintage racing cars in Europe. I could have left those wrecks in the scrapyard, or brought a rare vehicle back to life and not be forgotten (there are NO running Loyds in the UK), I chose the latter, but I really do see the point of view regarding originality.
The loyd is an odd vehicle, even a good project today requires virtually all the hull replacing as they are only 2mm thick, the drivers floor rots both itself and the lower chassis rail away by design. As far as I know every restored Loyd in Europe has been made up from at LEAST two wrecks! Except Pauls that is

[carrierbarry]

Just to be clear once you've got your new/old pintle mount bolted to your carrier and it looks wonderful.
How do you attach the Bren Gun?

[Lynn Eades]

You then need one of these.

[RichardT10829]

or a pogo stick har har har...... Kevin made a fantastic repro pintle pole for his carrier absolutely cock on it was....cant remember who made it for him, i think it was a mate of his