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Old 25-05-22, 06:41
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A couple more of which I think we have not seen before. Pictures were taken at 't Woold near Winterswijk, and are dated 31 March 1945. According to the source, a fierce fight was fought at 't Woold during which several dozens of German and English soldiers died. Looks like at least four Kangaroos were knocked out.
Colourised photo from:
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Old 25-05-22, 23:10
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Default More 49th APCR Kangaroos

Hi Hanno here are a few more Kangaroos from 49th APCR

Blackpool
Captor
Comet
King John
Mars
Merlin
Neptune
Raider
Revenge
Rotherham
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Tapir
Todmorden
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Old 25-05-22, 23:14
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Old 25-05-22, 23:16
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These come various sources, IWM, Bill and Barry Miller to name just a few.

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Old 05-06-22, 09:20
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Thanks for the extensive selection, Kevin.

Here is a write up on the Battle at ‘t Woold I made for the Sherman Register page a while ago:

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On 30 March 1945, ‘F’ Squadron of British 49th Armoured Personnel Carrier Regiment lifted infantry of the Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry Regiment into action. The British Kangaroo Regiment had just added a third fighting Squadron of Kangaroos the week before, converting 52nd Royal Tank Regiment to ‘F’ Squadron 49APCR. The inexperienced troop met stiff resistance at ‘t Woold, near Winterswijk, The Netherlands.

Eight of their Ram Kangaroos were knocked as well as a Stuart Tank that was leading the column. First disabling the leading Stuart, then the rearmost Kangaroo. The column of armour, traveling on a raised roadbed near the village of Winterswijk, was picked off one by one by a lone German ’StuG III’ 75mm tank destroyer. Only one Kangaroo in the column managed to escape.

It was the inexperienced troop’s first taste of combat which resulted in one Kangaroo crewman killed (Cpl. Webber) as well as several infantrymen of the Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry. Some burned alive in the disabled Kangaroos.

With credits to:
- the Canadian Kangaroo Regiment Association and Archives for the historic background
- and Klaas Meijer (@klaasm67) for the pictures.


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Old 05-06-22, 11:07
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Interesting, a Stuart VI in that last picture, you don’t see that many photos of those in Commonwealth service, AFAIK.
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Old 05-06-22, 13:13
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Interesting, a Stuart VI in that last picture, you don’t see that many photos of those in Commonwealth service, AFAIK.
There are several pictures of these in Commonwealth service in late 1944/early 1945....Canadian, as well as Polish and also British, you will find a couple of them in the pictures taken in Bergen op Zoom oct 1944, and also Eelde in 1945, so in my opinion pictures of these aren't that rare.....but interesting nonetheless!


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Old 19-09-22, 06:08
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Interesting, a Stuart VI in that last picture, you don’t see that many photos of those in Commonwealth service, AFAIK.
The scale of issue for Canadian armoured regiments, like the Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment (27th Canadian Armoured Regiment) was a recce troop of as many as 11 Stuarts. They were seldom photographed because they were kept quite busy and not as numerous as the Shermans!

Two mentions in the latest regimental history bear repeating. In the race from Falaise to the Seine River, the SFR recce troop were packet escorts. Command wanted to keep the steel tracked tracks off the undamaged roads, and ordered the columns to skirt along field edges and forest tracks. With few maps, the Stuarts shepherded the tanks from one form-up point to the next. The other was very late in the war when the road network up on the North Sea Coast was too soft and narrow for Shermans. Recce troop with attachments lifted a company-minus sized infantry force onto their objective.
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Old 07-06-22, 13:58
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Thanks for the extensive selection, Kevin.

Here is a write up on the Battle at ‘t Woold I made for the Sherman Register page a while ago:
The first photo looks to a Ram Kangaroo named TARANTULA. I cannot make out anything on the second and the Stuart seems to end T???212.
Can anyone make out anything else.

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Old 09-06-22, 10:30
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The first photo looks to a Ram Kangaroo named TARANTULA. I cannot make out anything on the second and the Stuart seems to end T???212.
Can anyone make out anything else.
TARANTULA also appears in a colorized video on youtube, shot at 't Woold: “Liberation Route East Holland in full-color - April 1945" - https://youtu.be/zgiqBwVWcKk

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Old 05-06-22, 15:31
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Hi Hanno here are a few more Kangaroos from 49th APCR

Blackpool
Captor
Comet
King John
Mars
Merlin
Neptune
Raider
Revenge
Rotherham
Spear
Tapir
Todmorden
Kevin,

Do you have a listing for TYRANT?

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Old 07-06-22, 14:10
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Kevin,

Do you have a listing for TYRANT?

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Hi Hanno,

Only the census CT 160052 and was part of F Squadron.

Cheers

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Old 09-06-22, 10:26
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Only the census CT 160052 and was part of F Squadron.
Hi Kevin, thank you!
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Old 09-06-22, 14:19
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Hi Hanno,

Only the census CT 160052 and was part of F Squadron.

Cheers

Kevin
Nice work on the model, Kevin!

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TARANTULA also appears in a colorized video on youtube, shot at 't Woold: “Liberation Route East Holland in full-color - April 1945" - https://youtu.be/zgiqBwVWcKk

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This is a clear example of why I don't like colorized black and white footage.......someone made a guesstimate about the colour of the RAM.....brown, green? Or was it red?
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Old 09-06-22, 15:47
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Default Colourized Photographs

I agree with Alex, I despise colourized photographs as I consider them to be nothing more then a guess by the 'artist'. They actually distract from the historical record and unfortunately now show up everywhere with little to no information stating that the image has been altered. The worst thing is that the museum community, the people who should know better, have bought into the colourization process.
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Old 17-09-22, 23:59
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Only the census CT 160052 and was part of F Squadron.
I posted this photo of TYRANT CT-160052 to which Bill Miller replied:
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“After the battle... Tyrant is one of 7 kangaroos of F Squadron, 49APCR knocked out. All named beginning with 'T' (Tarmois, Tapir, Taunt, Tarantula, Tiger, Tyrant & Terror).”
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Old 18-09-22, 01:22
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I posted this photo of TYRANT CT-160052 to which Bill Miller replied:
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“After the battle... Tyrant is one of 7 kangaroos of F Squadron, 49APCR knocked out. All named beginning with 'T' (Tarmois, Tapir, Taunt, Tarantula, Tiger, Tyrant & Terror).”
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TARMOIS, TAUNT, TIGER and TERROR are all new to me, are there any photos of these?

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Old 22-09-22, 18:51
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TARMOIS, TAUNT, TIGER and TERROR are all new to me, are there any photos of these?
Kevin, let me check with Bill Miller who posted that info.
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Old 23-09-22, 15:15
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TARMOIS, TAUNT, TIGER and TERROR are all new to me, are there any photos of these?
Hi Kevin, the named list of the seven knocked out Kangaroos at Winterswijk came from a local Dutch historian who also had access to primary documents, accounts and photos (many of which have already been posted here).

I cannot confirm photos of the four names mentioned above. There are photos of a couple other hulls, but the names painted on them cannot be made out clearly.

This hull (T11), I believe, is either Terror or Tiger. According to a detailed infantry account, this kangaroo brewed up immediately and a number of the infantry passengers were burned badly, including one burned to death. Of the kangaroo crewmen in this column, 8 ORs were wounded and Sgt. KFA Webber was killed. In the photo, you can see another Kangaroo in the upper right corner, near a farm building. That is CT40694 Tarantula.

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