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A couple more of which I think we have not seen before. Pictures were taken at 't Woold near Winterswijk, and are dated 31 March 1945. According to the source, a fierce fight was fought at 't Woold during which several dozens of German and English soldiers died. Looks like at least four Kangaroos were knocked out.
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Another shot of the same Kangaroo, from the facebook page of Oud Woold:
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Hanno,
Wow! Great photos and showing very interesting details on each. The colour still shows a Kangaroo, but with at least two grab bars welded to the hull as visible in the photo. Normal wisdom has it that these were only on the Wallaby ammo carriers, but apparently at least some Brit 'Roos had them added in the field. The B&W photos show what had to be an absolutely rare beast, A Kangaroo made from a Ram with the Wright version of the radial engine (the external mufflers are the giveaway). Given that these needed 100 Octane gas, they would have been a bear to find gas for in the field with everything else using 87 octane. Would not have thought any were converted to 'Roos for that reason, especially given the supply situation in late 44. Thanks for posting them! Paul
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Paul,
Yes you are quite correct, the above Ram is one of the first 247 that were built with the Wright R975/EC2. The exhaust and air cleaner arrangement changed at the same time as the change to Continental R975/C1 engines. However by that point in the war it is very likely that tanks of this age that had mostly been used for training in the UK, would have had the engine changed, possibly more than once. It would be very easy to exchange the exhaust manifolds as the fittings are all the same. No change would be needed to the inlet side as the carb is externaly identical so the intake pipes would plug straight on. One of the good things with this family of engines is that many parts are interchangeable across different versions so engines could be updated to some extent. David |
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David,
I certainly would have thought that the engines would have been changed, but I thought one of the reasons that the exhausts came inside and the air cleaners went outside was that the arrangements of the piping were different enough that the changes had to be made. I know that Rams in Canada that were built with the Wright and later changed to the Continental all had the air cleaners and exhausts relocated with plugs welded into the holes in the rear engine plate. We'll probably never know, of course, but in any case these would be special vehicles with special maintenance needs and thus are interesting to see in the field. Paul
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Paul,
The tanks in the UK with plugs welded into the exhaust holes in the rear plates are vehicles after Shop number 247 that were BUILT with the later exhaust arangement but were using up stocks of the earlier plates, which had been fully machined and at that point in the war could not be wasted. There must have been quite a few of these as I have seen at least six on ranges in the UK including tanks without side doors. It was much more common on (I think) the LH plate than the RH (could have been the other way round) so there were tanks with one side with a welded hole but the other plain. Relatively late in the war the early Rams being used for training in Canada were remanufactured with various late fittings. I have not seen how the exhaust openings in the rear plate were plugged but the 'production' ones were pieces of plate the same thickness as the main plate, welded in flush from both sides. When painted they probably would not show in photos at all. In terms of the exhaust and inlet fittings on the actual engines, R975/EC2 and C1s are identical. It is only the exhaust manifolds that are different, and then only to line up with the different type of mufflers. They are entirely interchangeable. The early arangement was intended to keep all the parts under armour. When it was decided that access for maintainence and better (bigger) aircleaners were more importaint the latter design was adopted. Although it happened at the same time as the change from EC2 to C1 it need not have done though as the C1s were supplied with the later manifolds it was obviously better to make the change then. David Last edited by David Herbert; 28-04-15 at 19:26. |
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Hello Paul,
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As pointed out by David Herbert - a veritable Ram expert I might add - chances are that this late during the war, Wright R975-EC2 engines would have been replaced by R975-C1 (or -C4) radial engines, simply because they would no longer be supported by the supply system. And changing them over was relatively easily: if not during conversion, then by the time the original R975-EC2 was worn out, it would have to be replaced by a -C1, simply because EC-2's were no longer to be had from store supplies. Hanno
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Hi Hanno here are a few more Kangaroos from 49th APCR
Blackpool Captor Comet King John Mars Merlin Neptune Raider Revenge Rotherham Spear Tapir Todmorden |
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These come various sources, IWM, Bill and Barry Miller to name just a few.
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Thanks for the extensive selection, Kevin.
Here is a write up on the Battle at ‘t Woold I made for the Sherman Register page a while ago: Quote:
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Interesting, a Stuart VI in that last picture, you don’t see that many photos of those in Commonwealth service, AFAIK.
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Can anyone make out anything else. Cheers Kevin |
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Do you have a listing for TYRANT? 9B02BDA5-B70E-4FB2-9840-26C464A5861A.jpeg
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Only the census CT 160052 and was part of F Squadron. Cheers Kevin |
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Hi Kevin, thank you!
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This is a clear example of why I don't like colorized black and white footage.......someone made a guesstimate about the colour of the RAM.....brown, green? Or was it red?
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I agree with Alex, I despise colourized photographs as I consider them to be nothing more then a guess by the 'artist'. They actually distract from the historical record and unfortunately now show up everywhere with little to no information stating that the image has been altered. The worst thing is that the museum community, the people who should know better, have bought into the colourization process.
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I posted this photo of TYRANT CT-160052 to which Bill Miller replied:
E05F1D8C-211F-4977-9720-D999350DBF43.jpg “After the battle... Tyrant is one of 7 kangaroos of F Squadron, 49APCR knocked out. All named beginning with 'T' (Tarmois, Tapir, Taunt, Tarantula, Tiger, Tyrant & Terror).” 1217CE78-5C8C-43CD-9D4B-AB42CF3C8EA7.jpeg
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