Dutch CMPs

[Grant Bowker]

Personally, my ignorance of the meaning of this symbol is huge but Mark W. Tonner has a white 55 on a red square on all of his posts that is so similar that I feel he will be able to help once he sees this thread.

[Kent Aist]

A red square with a white 56 is used by the second battalion in the senior brigade of an infantry or airborne division. This true for both Canadian and British units. The red square with the white 55 is the 1st battalion of the same brigade. On the other side of the vehicle would be a patch that indicates which division the vehicle belonged to.

Kent

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Kent Aist

A red square with a white 56 is used by the second battalion in the senior brigade of an infantry or airborne division. This true for both Canadian and British units.

Thanks Kent,

This C15A has a faint "CZ" on the door indicating Canadian service. I looked it up and this unit sign indicates service with The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment, The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry or The Regina Rifle Regiment. The owner now needs to find traces of the formation sign to pinpoint the battalion his truck served with.

Regards,
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This C15A has remains of an air recognition roundel on the roof

. . . with a star painted over it, denoting use in NW Europe. From Italy to Holland?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

The owner now needs to find traces of the formation sign to pinpoint the battalion his truck served with.

And here's what he uncovered. Can anyone make anything out of the remains of this formation sign?

Thanks,
Hanno

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

The C60L is gone to Mr. H. Ates, director of museum: Canadian, Allied Forces 1940-1945 in Groningen.
Website: www.canadianalliedforces.com

Dirk

[Hanno Spoelstra]

F60S LAAT CH55582744, a new one to me. I took pictures of it in Amstelveen on 5 May.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

I updated Dutch CMPs using some pictures Gerrit de Waal posted on http://www.fordgp.nl/Bevrijdingsdag.

Apart from various CMPs - including that HUP fire truck! - some pictures of British vehicles, notably the venerable Bedford MW.

Enjoy!
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Found a new pic of an 8-cwt, must be one of the batch imported by Dirk Leegwater.

[Alex van de Wetering]

It must be the one from the "Witten" family. It's indeed one from Dirk's. Here it is at last years Arnhem remembrance. Really nicely restored, although I am surprised they decided to build a new "lengthened" short box.

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

It must be the one from the "Witten" family. It's indeed one from Dirk's.

Ah yes, I see Dirk put some pics of it on-line:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

that HUP fire truck!

Turns out there's another survivor - see http://www.armymotorcars.com/html/c_10.html

Enjoy,
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

From Scotland to Holland: one C15A water tank truck!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

This thread on provincial licence plates contains some great pictures of CMP and MCP trucks, plus a good helping of GMCs, Bedfords, Dodges, etc, in civilian use shortly after the war.

[Keith Webb]

That's an interesting pictorial thread, thanks for sharing it Hanno.

I notice there is a propensity to create as much load space as possible on the CMPs with the roof over the cab as well.

I wonder how much time this C60X would spend in top gear with a full load... no, wait; I forgot it was in Holland!

[Richard Coutts-Smith]

Obviously this C60x has been built for speed, note the aerodynamic windscreen...
Rich

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

I wonder how much time this C60X would spend in top gear with a full load... no, wait; I forgot it was in Holland!

Keith..
They never shift gears...try double clutching in wooden shoes..especially in an 11 cab...

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Alex Blair

Keith..
They never shift gears...try double clutching in wooden shoes..especially in an 11 cab...

It's known as "double declogging" isn't it?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

It's known as "double declogging" isn't it?

And of course you know all these trucks carried cheese!

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Below you will find an impression of this year's remembrance of Market Garden.

British and Dutch Parachutists jumped from three Hercules troopships and a Dakota, on the Ginkel Heath near Ede. A B25 Mitchell fomed the escort for the Dakota. As usual there was a nice selection of Military Vehicles, some of which joined the "Race to the Bridge", while others drove a similar tour of the Battlefield.
I was really stunned to find 3 Ford F8's on the Ginkel Heath.....yes......3.....THREE! Tres, Trois, drei, drie!! It's funny to see that all of them were different in certain details.

Hanno, time to update the list of Dutch CMP's!

Thanks for adding these pistures to the database, Alex! Methinks these three were all imported by Dirk. I see the Witten F8 is now sporting a census number and a white star. Pity, with that Light Stone colour I would have opted for a North African camouflage scheme (remember the white star was only added to vehicles prior to D-Day).

Oh, and thanks for the C8A picture, hadn´t one of that one yet. Any more pics of CMPs?

H.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Hanno,

Here is another CMP at last saterday's Market Garden remembrance. It had had the winch rollers both front and back.....an CGT originally????

2 cab 11's, a cab 12 and two cab 13's.....not a bad score!

Yes, I agree with you that the star on the desert F8 is somewhat odd. It could be that they got fed up with people asking them if the truck why the truck was in primer.
I believe the brown one was imported by the owner himself along with two others. The restoration was finished one or two years ago, just in time for "Bevrijdingsdag", which was the only appearance the truck made, so far. It wasn't actually the owner driving it, but one of his mates.

The green one seems to have come from the UK (see the remains of the UK registration on the bumper) and the owner didn't change anything to it yet.

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Here is another CMP at last saterday's Market Garden remembrance. It had had the winch rollers both front and back.....an CGT originally????

Don't think so, on those 16" wheels it would hardly move. Most likely one of many 15-cwt retrofitted with a winch.

Nice crop of CMPs, good to see them coming from everywhere!

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Another "then" picture, found on http://www.legervoertuigen.nl/terug_...in_de_tijd.htm

It shows an F60L of the "1-111 Transportbataljon". Picture was made during the summer of 1951 at the Ripperdakazerne at Haarlem, courtesy of Mr. Lochem of Hilversum.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Also see crop spraying tender for some period pictures of a Dutch C60L:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

See Dutch CMPs for a selection of CMPs preserved in the Netherlands.

You win some, you lose some. This C15TA was recently exported to Canada where it went to a good home!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

The pictures of this Ford F60L (built in Feb. 1945) were sent to me by it´s Dutch owner. He has asked me to help him identify the body.
The owner bought the body separately, which he thinks was once fitted on a GMC CCKW-353 - note the long wheelarches in the inside pic.
Maurice Donckers indeed recognised it as one of (at least) five ex-C60X bodies which were transferred to GMC chassis after the C60X was phased out of service.



For good measure, here´s a picture of a C60L with Lindsay-type body. This is the version 10 foot long, there also was a 12 foot version on the 158" chassis. The body fitted to the C60X chassis is 14 foot long.



Regards,
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

one of (at least) five ex-C60X bodies which were transferred to GMC chassis after the C60X was phased out of service.

Here's a picture of a C60X in Dutch service.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

That's an interesting pictorial thread, thanks for sharing it Hanno.

I notice there is a propensity to create as much load space as possible on the CMPs with the roof over the cab as well.

Here´s another picture of a well-laden F60L + trailer:


And one of a F15A in civilian use:


H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

It shows an F60L of the "1-111 Transportbataljon". Picture was made during the summer of 1951 at the Ripperdakazerne at Haarlem, courtesy of Mr. Lochem of Hilversum.

Some more pictures of CMP´s in Netherlands Army use:


These scanned postcards are courtesy of Wim den Dunnen.

H.

[Keith Webb]

Always like seeing historic images of CMPs but this pic looks like the poor Ford had a paint job courtesy of the early Haarlem drug culture!