2008 at the Hammond Barn

[Bob Carriere]

...........As for the wooden blocks you'll find they are spaced to fit the side curtain lugs.

That makes a lot of sense..... although I do not ever recall having seen them in Canadian CMP trucks.......

Boob

PS...... Ian you are not hijacking anything....please feel free to post any and all....

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Bob and Ian

Ian you mentioned "There is an aircraft company near me, they can laser cut anything.. makes plate cutting super easy... I just cannot afford to use them yet... but heck it is a fancy machine.. If you can think up a hundred things we all need in mlu I will go see what they charge... " as a way of cutting the floor plate as alternative to that or to acetylene torch cutting I used a small plasma cutter to cut all my floor plates and found it to be a very use-able tool.

See http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...MetalWork.html about half way down the page. I even cut 10 inch section out of the drop side body that I fitted to my Pattern 12. In the pictures below you can see a bit of that process. You'll note in some of the pictures that there is a added fan and even a cover over the Plasma unit to extend its duty cycle by adding more cooling.

[colin jones]

Hi Phil, better let you know that someones got there foot on the brake pedal in pic 2. Don't want you flatten your battery
Colin.

[RHClarke]

At the barn this morning, it was minus 5oC with a stiff wind. We got some very fluffy snow for a while until it warmed up. The sun actually made an appearance until noon when it clouded over.

The weather has changed, but the barn is as busy as ever. Grant worked on his engine, Bob was collecting waste oil for Lucifer, Guy dropped in for a chat, and I played with the HUP. We all took a break to restock the inside firewood crib next to Lucifer, and then got back to the business at hand.

I spent most of the morning working on the floor plates. I reattached the floor mounted handle (commonly referred to as the "Oh, J**** C***** bar"):







Bob was press ganged into doing some welding for me - we attached a fabbed up replacement clip on the floor plate (attachment point for one of the dog house hold down clips). No photos were taken (memory, the second thing to go...).

After a very expensive lunch at Mike's Place in Hammond, we got back at the fun and games. Bob and Grant spent some quality time adjusing the settings on Grant's engine head. I'm not sure what Bob is doing to that engine, but it seemed to help...



I ended the day trying to fit the fenders to the rear of the HUP and with a little help from my friends, finally figured out which fender went on the correct side...not as easy and one would think. We test fit the first fender, and Bob, ever the observant one, opined that maybe the frame had arched up causing it not to fit. Grant spotted the problem - the inside frame to which the fender attaches was warped. A few swings of a hammer later, on she went.



Here's what the fender looked like (from the rear - the front of the fender was racked and bent as well) when I bought the HUP:



Next week, I'll pull the fender off, install fender welt and some spray on undercoating. With the sun slowly setting, I made my way back to the home of the Three Stooges and the Grinch who stole Parliament from them...

[RHClarke]

Should be an easy one - what CMP part caused this outline? Bob, you have been disqualified...

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

Should be an easy one - what CMP part caused this outline? Bob, you have been disqualified...

Easy one - driver side floor plate. But in what year did the removable section over the brake master cylinder appear?

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Easy one - driver side floor plate. But in what year did the removable section over the brake master cylinder appear?

...I will disqualify all HUP owners. Phil, you are of course correct. The outline shows the radically different wheel cut out for the HUP when compared to (as Bob and Grant put it) a "real" CMP.

As for the removable section (HUP wise), I'll venture a guess - 1944. As for other "real" CMPs, I guess '42...

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by RHClarke

Here's what the fender looked like (from the rear - the front of the fender was racked and bent as well) when I bought the HUP:

Rob,

Thanks for your updates. I always read this thread as it is very instructive.

Question: did you repair that mangled fender, or did you manage to buy new ones? I am wondering to what extent commercially available fenders and other fittings were used when the CMP was designed & built.

I was wondering if for example the single arch steel mudguards sold by Commercial Body Fittings (reportedly, this company comes highly recommended as they have all manner of old style fittings still available) could be made to fit?

I guy I used to know who restored a VW Typ 82 Kübelwagen told me he bought new front fenders for it. These were standard over-the-counter fenders which he only had to trim to make them fit.

Hanno

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Rob, Thanks for your updates. I always read this thread as it is very instructive. Question: did you repair that mangled fender, or did you manage to buy new ones? I am wondering to what extent commercially available fenders and other fittings were used when the CMP was designed & built. I was wondering if for example the single arch steel mudguards sold by Commercial Body Fittings (this company comes highly recommended as they have all manner of old style fittings still available) could be made to fit?

Hanno,

When I first took on the HUP project, I tried to straighten out the sheet metal using all of my limited talent. Since cursing did not help, I took the HUP to a highly recommended "body man" to get the fenders hammered out and a new roof installed. After paying for the body man's new shop, I decided that all future work that I can possibly do, will be done by myself. It just got too expensive using the body man, even though he did a wonderful job of repairing the rear fenders.

The URL you sent is very interesting. I will measure my fenders next week and compare them to the thumbnail table.

I still need to replace or finish hammering out the front fenders as they were also in bad shape:

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

I was wondering if for example the single arch steel mudguards sold by Commercial Body Fittings (this company comes highly recommended as they have all manner of old style fittings still available) could be made to fit? Hanno

Hanno,

The HUP mudguard/fender rough measurements are:

Fender width (B): 15" 38.1 cm (not including the folded over edge)
Fender span (S) 44" 111.76 cm
Fender height(H) 23" 58.42 cm

I don't see a match on the chart in your posting above, but I am sure there are some "close enough" mudguards out there somewhere...

[RHClarke]

With the exception of a short but productive visit by Bob, I had the run of the barn today. Todays programme included floor plate painting and the conversion of a "real" CMP brush guard to a HUP brush guard. What's the difference? About one half inch if you are talking bumper size (HUP is 5" vice 5.5"), and one inch if you are talking bolt hole location. The "regular" CMP guard sort of fits the HUP bumper and the lower bumper mounting holes match up. The upper holes are one inch too high. So, the Hammond solution: drill new holes and fill the old with weld (enter Bob). The following sequence shows how we tackled this challenge:

Disassembled original.


Drilled for HUP bumper mounting.


Welded.


Ground down (and later dressed square with a hand file).


Mounted.

[sth65pac]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

See http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.c...MetalWork.html about half way down the page. I even cut 10 inch section out of the drop side body that I fitted to my Pattern 12. In the pictures below you can see a bit of that process. You'll note in some of the pictures that there is a added fan and even a cover over the Plasma unit to extend its duty cycle by adding more cooling.

Phil,
You're welcome to drop your plasma cutter at my place (just the little prob of weight & distance...)

I can make....late model lifting rings, hatch catch profiles, toolbox brackets, pioneer tool holders ... now back to the anvil, fire and hammers...

And the 'greening' has begun... Unlike you poor blokes.. Summer is here & painting is a breeze. I did my St*FF SH*T handle about 12 weeks ago.. I will get to enjoy the 'joys' of engine rebuilding shortly..

[Bob Carriere]

...... we discovered that if you blow across the water jacket opening while adjusting the valves ..... you can hear the air whistling out of the sparkplug holes..... the whistling stops your valve are adjusted dead on......

Grant and I intend to write a book on this latest technique!!!!


....and Phil...... how did you bend that pushrod......?

Boob

[RHClarke]

Guy, I found your "cadeau" about 5 minutes ago. It looks great! So far I am the only one at the barn, but progress is being realized...