1944 Universal Carrier Wheels - Ford Canada

listerdiesel · #1 25-02-09, 21:02

Hi Kevin:

Glad they got to you OK, I didn't know that Philip (our youngest son) was going to Suffolk tonight, my wife mentioned it to me while I was talking to you on the phone. Worked out really well for us all.

I'll keep an eye open for anything similar in future!

Peter

listerdiesel · #2 21-03-09, 22:52

We have got another set of these wheels, this time from an ebay seller down near Bristol, the auction was pointed out to me by one of the guys on our own forum.

They are British, cast 'JM 1941' and the tyres are "Avon 1944", bearings are Ransome & Marles 4HJT40.

Tyres are better than the ones Kevin had from us, but the bearings are so much scrap. One wheel must be an idler as it has bronze bearings instead of thrust ball bearings.

We intend to use these, but can offer the seal retainers and bearing spacers for free to anyone who wants them, collect or pay carriage.

The bronze bearings have got four tapped holes in the face, are these for an extractor or do you screw setscrews in them and push the bearings out?

Also, on another thread, the bearing 6204 is mentioned for carrier wheels, but these are tiddly compared with these that I have here, is that a mistake? is there a modern compatible bearing?

Peter

shaun · #3 22-03-09, 00:01

Hi Pete,
Are you parting with these wheels, if you are i would be interested. Drop me a line on shaun.hindle@btinternet.com.
TTFN
Shaun

listerdiesel · #4 22-03-09, 00:20

Hi Shaun:

Not at present, we need to get our trolley finished for the show in Nuenen at the end of May, and if we keep on selling these wheels we'll never get the thing finished.

If you had something similar that you could not use, we would look at them as a possible swap.

Peter

Hendrik van Oorspronk · #5 22-03-09, 00:23

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Originally Posted by listerdiesel

We have got another set of these wheels, this time from an ebay seller down near Bristol, the auction was pointed out to me by one of the guys on our own forum.

They are British, cast 'JM 1941' and the tyres are "Avon 1944", bearings are Ransome & Marles 4HJT40.

Tyres are better than the ones Kevin had from us, but the bearings are so much scrap. One wheel must be an idler as it has bronze bearings instead of thrust ball bearings.

We intend to use these, but can offer the seal retainers and bearing spacers for free to anyone who wants them, collect or pay carriage.

The bronze bearings have got four tapped holes in the face, are these for an extractor or do you screw setscrews in them and push the bearings out?

Also, on another thread, the bearing 6204 is mentioned for carrier wheels, but these are tiddly compared with these that I have here, is that a mistake? is there a modern compatible bearing?

Peter

Hello Peter, you are right, the number should be 6408

, your bearing are the same as I found in my wheels, they are a bit ofset, to let my sealings run free I needed some shimms, take good care to the bushings between the bearings, they were the major problem to me, you need them when you change from plain bearings to roller bearings and I had more plain than rollers.

Hendrik van Oorspronk

listerdiesel · #6 22-03-09, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Hendrik van Oorspronk

Hello Peter, you are right, the number should be 6408

, your bearing are the same as I found in my wheels, they are a bit ofset, to let my sealings run free I needed some shimms, take good care to the bushings between the bearings, they were the major problem to me, you need them when you change from plain bearings to roller bearings and I had more plain than rollers.

Hendrik van Oorspronk

Thanks for confirming that number, Hendrik, might be worth going back to the original thread and updating that part number for the other guys. The original bearings are one-way thrust types, presumably with a pre-load when assembled. The 6408 is a standard deep-groove bearing, which for what most Carrier owners use them for, will be fine. My originals have 'THRUST' marked on one side and the bearing centre can be taken out quite easily from one side.

The 6310 bearing has a 50mm centre ID, but is 1/8 the price of the 6408, so we will probably get a set of those for the price of one 6408 and make new stub axles (which we have to do anyway) for the trolley. See ebay #320249498440

Are you saying that the basic wheel is the same, and that you can swap plain and ball bearings between them?

Peter

Hendrik van Oorspronk · #7 22-03-09, 11:22

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Originally Posted by listerdiesel

Are you saying that the basic wheel is the same, and that you can swap plain and ball bearings between them?

Yes, the basic wheel is the same, even the seailings are the same, to convert it to the ball bearings you just need the bearings and the spacer.

Hendrik

shaun · #8 22-03-09, 22:48

Hi Pete,
I have 4 very good blasted T16 wheels, same size as the wheels you have but with curved spokes. The rubber is near new still showing the moulding marks. Fancy a trade?
Shaun

Neil Ashley · #9 23-03-09, 09:45

Can I confirm please how you get the bearings out of Carrier Wheels as I am about to attempt it myself.

Will they just push all the way through from one side or is there a retaining rib in the center.

listerdiesel · #10 23-03-09, 21:55

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Originally Posted by shaun

Hi Pete,
I have 4 very good blasted T16 wheels, same size as the wheels you have but with curved spokes. The rubber is near new still showing the moulding marks. Fancy a trade?
Shaun

I have already done a trade with Kevin, so cannot undo that now.

However I will have the set of Windsor Carrier wheels that I had originally. Rubber wasn't too good though.

If the curved spokes are the problem, I can swap the Windsor wheels if that would help?

Post a picture so I can see what they look like, the engine won't mind what they are....

Peter

Tony Smith · #11 22-03-09, 02:16

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Originally Posted by listerdiesel

We have got another set of these wheels, ....
They are British, cast 'JM 1941'.

Peter

Also seen in Aust:

listerdiesel · #12 22-03-09, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Also seen in Aust:

Hi Tony:

I don't know who 'JM' was, but would be interested to know if anyone has the ID.

Looks like we will be swapping this new set with the four originals that Kevin had from us, as he couldn't get the Windsor wheels into his suspension arms.

Peter

listerdiesel · #13 23-03-09, 22:11

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Originally Posted by listerdiesel

I don't know who 'JM' was, but would be interested to know if anyone has the ID.

Could this have been Jowett Motors ??

Peter

listerdiesel · #14 27-03-09, 21:18

Kevin swapped wheels today, so I have the original Windsor wheels back home.

The bearings that I mentioned on ebay are now down to £4.50 each plus £8.70 carriage for 10 pces. These are 50mm centre not the 40mm as standard, but for the cost of getting a simple sleeve turned up, it's a bargain compared to what the originals sell for.

These are double seal types and won't need greasing.

Ebay 150255992608 - 6310 2RS WM1 RUBBER SEALED BEARING 50 X 110 X 27mm

Peter

kevin powles · #15 28-03-09, 14:14

Hi, Just ordered 32 of these bearings at £4.30 each plus £8.70 postage. You can even use any spare bearing spacers you have to produce the sleeve, they need to be turned down by taking about 1mm off and then facing off to 27mm. I would recommend an interference fit between the sleeve and the bearing.

I can totally refit two carriers (32 bearings) at a total cost of about £200 including getting the sleeves made (i have numrous spare spacers), compared with about £1000 for off the shelf 40mm x 110mm x 27mm,

I have also checked today, British, Canadian and Windsor bearings are all of this type.

Thanks Pete for the advice.

Cheers Kevin