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The wedgee and the latches.....
See pictures below.....
The good one is from the cab 11....the bad one from a cab 12...... These Wedge parts are available from Mac Auto Ford...... The next Photo is where the wedge fits in the door.... in most cases the sagging of the door has caused some extreme wear of broken parts.... ...and the resulting damage to the wedge,,,,, Now inside the door frame is this ..Ford again... latch which is usually broken... Now for the latch removed..... in a number of cases at least one of the rubbing blocks willme missing ... having fallen off when the tab broke. on to the next part....
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24-03-09, 03:32
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Sorry I got excited with two wedgies...
The following are pcitures of the replacement latch mechanism
... the actual lock mechanism and NOS cab 11 door handles both inside and outside.... you will notice the chromed repro from MAc Auto... again made in China butr very close to the original.... see back side for difference in casting... once sandblasted they will take OD paint quite well.... One more photo showing the replacement pot metal tubes for the side curtains.... they are slightly shorter but will be made to fit... tweo are needed per doors..... Last is profile look at inner and outer handles....
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24-03-09, 04:14
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MOre on doors and skins.....
Doors skins not fore skins you neenee....
Removing the door skin at first appeared fairly easy since some doors were so rusted that we did not detect any spot weld..... has we progressed to areas not so rusted we found that the folded over outer skin had in deed been spot welded...... spot weld cutters.... very sharp samll chisel and the typical abuse of a good screw driver had them popping in no time...... soem doors were so corroded and thenetal so fatigue form years of door slamming that the skin and part of the frame was coming apart.. ley me show you..... Here is a crude sketched of the profile of the door frame and its weak areas... the frame is folded back onto itself to provide an area for the door skin to be folded and spot welded to...... with rust and constant door slamming the over folded area breaks loose at the arrow. Far too complex to reproduced we have opted for a simple U bent frame and we will cut out an exact duplicate of the folded over part except ours will be spot welded to the frame and we hpe more solid. The oly part that is different on the frame is the top part which is covered by the external door skin and is actually 1.75 inch wide plus the tickness of a 14 guage sheet.... in the case of the top part the metal is actually folded inside the U shape of the frame. So we got our courage and cut off the bottom of the door.... you can see the repro part Grant and I fabricated. We simply made a pattern out of old 2x6 lumber and heated and bent the U shape frame by hand.... once hot enough it bacme very plastic..... yeah the wood charred but that is Ok.... We made the cut up to the good metal on the curve side..... and just below the hinge position so as to maintain dimensions. Grant measured everything 3 times beofre cutting and we still had some complete doors to fall back on in case of dimentia.... In between giving me a hand Grant was busy redoing his cab 13 door.... butr that is a whole different story....
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24-03-09, 04:43
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Last one for tonight...
The semi finished product..... still some touch up grinding... don't want ot make it too perfect or it will not look original.....
Concerned with getting the door the exact size it was before.... Grant had the excellent idea of bolting the inner skin back on as a jig for positioning the replacement bottom part..... sure made things easier.... Of course being Public servants and overly cautious we opted for a re-enforcement plate on the inside the frame to give more strength to the door frame.... we also had no wartime metal shortage.... I predrilled the inside plate and welded from the inside.... with proper penetration it almost looks like spot welding work..... The other side was also re-enforced from the back side but we had to cut out the space for the hinge...... we had to cut out other wise the hinge would have been 14 gauge out of alignment,,,,, Final picture....... no bad for a bunch of government paper pushers.... of course we still have to replace the large plate at the bottom.... half was cut away as being too rusted.... but it was supper time and it was time to go!!! Thanks to Grant for the helping hand... to Rob who keeps helping around the barn thereby allowing me freedom to work on the door and for Barry's inspiration........ More will follow but for now I must close the door on door repairs...... Bob
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24-03-09, 12:35
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Bob,
Thanks for posting pictures and the description of your door repair. It looks excellent. Another great "volume" in the Hammond Barn series! Thanks for the tip on the door parts at Mac's auto. I havent closely checked the doors on my cab 11 yet, but I know one of the doors is only hanging by one of the hinges...and that hinge seems to sourced from the garden fence of the former owner.... Quote:
Alex
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29-03-09, 02:38
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Saturday - Post Gracies
The Hammond Quartet was in fine fettle on Saturday - we all behaved ourselves (more or less) at Gracies last night, so there were no major complaints in the morning.
Myke from Wyndsor joined us for a day of slave labour. He and Grant took a tour of the wagon lines (wading thru the mud was fun) upon arrival. Nothing like the sight and smell of CMPs in the mid morning mist...smells like...obsession! Bob joined them thereafter. Just after the two entrepid ones took to the mud, Guy arrived with the morning coffee and tea (for Bob). Guy lent a hand fixing my fender pans onto the front clip - much appreciated, amigo.  When the tour ended, the entourage made its way back to the barn and coffee. Bob and Guy chatted about the excitment in their lives - CMPs of course...  Myke and Grant took on the task of welding up the holes in my Chev grill.  The master at work:  They used common nails pounded flat and welded them in. They also joined the broken off pieces of the expanded steel grid.  After some time with a file, it was difficult to pick out where the repairs were made. After sandblasting and painting, it was impossible to find the welded in spots. Good job lads! The grill was temporarily fitted to the clip and sure makes the front end look great!  Myke then refurbished my HUP's horn. He took apart the horn I bought at the Barrie flea market and tuned up its guts. He then put the cleaned up elements into a refurbished horn housing. Again, a superb job. We broke for lunch at Mike's Place in Hammond. We chatted about a number of things and after a few rants (on my part - politics of course), we headed back to the barn for some more fun and games. Bob took Myke to see his "Tickle Trunk" of CMP goodies in the back of the barn. I think Bob bought shares in Macs Auto...Grant sandblasted his door while Myke supervised the ongoing operations at the barn.  I tried to get the HUP to fire up for its Spring roll out (maybe wade out would be a better way of putting it), but the starter gave up the ghost. Bob took the starter apart and some new parts are now on order... Just as well, I wouldn't want to get too much mud on those gorgeous new tires just yet. The afternoon temperature hit 17oC and the road to the barn turned into a quagmire. It was great having Myke at the barn. This was his second trip and he didn't disappoint! This man has the skills to get things done - witness his superb F15 project! Thanks for the help and advice Myke. It was well appreciated. I am sure Bob and Grant will try to get Myke to stay another day...if not, then they will be on their own on Sunday. All too soon the leave pass expired and I had to head back to my paternal duties.
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08-04-09, 03:19
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Wet Weekend
Not much to report. Bob and Grant roasted a cab 13 door, and I dug canals to help drain Bob's roadway which is now mostly mud. We will have more substantial news to report this coming weekend - ROAD TRIP!
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12-04-09, 14:12
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Look What the Easter Bunny Delivered!
Long weekends are made for road trips. So, three of the Hammond Quartet headed to the deep south of Ontario to cull the herd of a local collector group. Any guesses as to what we got? Here's a clue:
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12-04-09, 15:44
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Good Morning to the Hammond Barn
Rob, I am sorry I couldn't make the trek to visit with you guys yesterday. The old Allis Chalmers has severe, as in expensive, hydraulic problems and I was pulling out what little hair I have. I must admit I am very impressed with your clue as to the identity of one of your purchases on the "border raid".  plus equals  . My lips are sealed but don't keep the rest in suspense too long.  Congratulations. Barry I put in "smilies" because I know Rob hates them. 
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12-04-09, 15:49
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I Admire Your Restraint
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As for the "easter bunny" treasure, here is the next clue: 
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12-04-09, 18:28
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I know what it is.... I know what it is......
..... the darn thing followed me all the way home.......
Note to Rob...... the baby was fed and burped this morning as per your instructions...... All ready had the visit of "The Steam Guy" ........ he had to sniff the bumpers... See you tomorrow morning for the official off loading....... Road to the barn has dired up considerable.....and was frozen early this morning so we may be able to drive to the back. Grant...... Joyce has not seen how you marked your territory yet !!!! Boob
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12-04-09, 19:36
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Next
Here is a clearer shot, but it really does not give the "game" away. Note the subtle differences between the towed truck and a "normal" CMP...sigh, you got me doing it now, Bob.
Hints - Look at the headlamp pot configuration and where the front clip is attached. Also, there is only one of these models known to exist and it now lives in Hammond! 
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12-04-09, 19:44
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There's a Good Fella...
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12-04-09, 21:39
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Good on'ya...
So you talked Brian out of his prize! I do so hope you're going to make it go again...
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12-04-09, 23:59
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the Easter Bunny aka the new Mr. HUP
"Look What the Easter Bunny Delivered" - apparently he shops at the Chicken Ranch. The Hammond Barn Group came for a visit yesterday and look what happened. I turned my back and suddenly two HUPs were up on the trailers, chained down and pointed east. How is that for a border raid?
Barry, you really should have been there to help me. I was one busy guy as they did the 'divide and conquer' routine on both sides of the Chicken Ranch. Now we know why they are called the "Hammond Barn Group". While Rob Clarke was out front doing the fender fondle on the prototype HUP, Grant Bowker and Bob Carriere were out back working me over for your stuff. Stay tuned .... I think they are coming back. Bob has a very high speed winch on his recovery trailer and there is no second guessing once that cable is hooked up. So congratulations Rob Clarke.  Treat the prototype well. http://www.oldcmp.net/prototype.html The title of Mr. HUP is yours, although not officially so until pronounced by Alex Blair.Brian Gough Hupmeister wannabe
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13-04-09, 00:43
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Don't you hate it when a CMP tailgates
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Don't you hate it when one of these peskie CMPs pulls up on your bumper on the highway and just won't pull out and pass. Look like great finds and if you have been reading or viewing BBC looks like two more CMPs escape this BBC story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7995928.stm Cheers Phil
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At this rate we may have to petition to have Hammond renamed as HUP City.
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HUP Prize
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Brian and I came to a mutually beneficial agreement and I thank him for giving me the opportunity to partake of this unique piece of Canadian history. Now that I have cut my teeth on the 45 HUP, I think I can do the prototype proud (at a later date of course). This means that I will be thinning out my (non HUP) herd (with local interests being taken care of first and foremost). More details later on. If the stars line up, the restoration process on the prototype will commence this summer - starting around the 15th of August...I think there may be some extra manpower hanging around the barn that weekend. Cheers,
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13-04-09, 04:35
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Avec plaisir!
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Break out the corny jokes but it looks like you fellows have had a very H.u.p.py Easter
Very nice pick up best of luck with such a unique piece of cmp history Will be good to see this ones progress
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Her' Hupmeister
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If I was in Canada I would be seeking #1 HUP. A great vehicle. I think BOB is the perfect man to take custody. He's not the owner... He's just the custodian. It is Honorable You have passed it on. Ian
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Passing the torch...
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As the original Mr Manual,I understand the Original Hupmeisters ,The Rt Hon.Brian Gough's feelings,when he passed the torch .... As one ages ,it occurred to me,as it has finally occured to Brian,we don't own our possessions,they own us..and we are only the keepers of history for a short while... I know that my original manual collection is in good hands with Grant Bowker ,another of the Hammond Barn tribe and that my manuals legacy will live on... So with out further ado...I now pronounce you "Mr Hup".... (I could add,"The new and improved"..but you are going to have to work a hell of a lot harder than you have been doing to "Out anything Brian Gough Related",to get "The new and improved" part of the title from me.. Brian is a pretty class act to inherit the title from ,and you had better be prepared to do some fancy footwork to get the rest of the "Mr HUP" title.. Rob.. Here is some food for thought.. Acronym Definition HUP Hangup (Unix command) HUP Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania HUP Hungarian Unix Portal HUP Home Use Program HUP Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle HUP Hot Uniaxial Pressing HUP Heavy Utility Personnel (military vehicle) HUP Hold Until Published   
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Suspicious activity at the Barn
It would appear that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to the Hammond Barn. Sources considered reliable have indicated that the Hammond Crew may have conducted a raid over the Holy Easter Weekend... Reconaissance patrols dispatched to the area were able to infiltrate the fortified barn area and obtain damning evidence. The first photo depicts a camouflaged vehicle that was not known to exist at the barn prior to last saturday. Our people were able to get a closer shot of the vehicle however because of human activity around the barn the patrol had to be recalled. While leaving the area, the patrol located a well hidden and camouflaged trailer beleived to have been used in any suspected raid.
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14-04-09, 01:00
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Next time, don't be so shy! You may approach the center of HUP excellence at any time. I would be pleased to give you the royal tour. The green "cocoon" is to discourage local cats from marking their territory and to keep beer caps out of the back of the vehicle... If you are around next weekend, you can lend a hand putting up a new shelter. And trust me, I won't even mention that lovely but lonely orange Ford sitting around the corner in the wagon lines...
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19-04-09, 04:41
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go forth and multiply
Hi Rob,
I see that your litter of cmp's are growing. it is nice to see the trucks coming to the east end of the province. If you are coming out my way, I have a big pile of rags and other items for you guys at the barn. Cheers,  Greg
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Dust Up at the Barn
Sunday morning's calm was interrupted by the sound of an air wrench as I followed Bob's lead and swapped the winter tires for the usual all season tires. I expect snow this week...
After that task, I started to set up a new shelter for the storage of the Prototype. Grant arrived on the scene as I was putting together the skeleton frame of the shelter. Guy arrived shortly thereafter. Both were press ganged into shelter duties. The outer skin was put on and secured to the frame.  Right on cue, Bob made his way slowly to the barn. It seems our chum isn't feeling just right these days. But that did not stop him from standing in and walk-marching the shelter over the Prototype. After nailing together some footing boards, Bob and Grant bent up some rebar as anchors. Four lengths were heated near the tip and bent over forming a hook at the end. These were set into the ground and tied off to the shelter frame. It should hold -eventhough this is a temporary location, these shelters tend to take flight if not properly secured. Seems to me sightings of a flying shelter were made near Kars recently...  I of course took some photos to commemorate this event, and Grant came upon the realization, that while I was taking the photos, the subjects of the photos were doing work...busted! Arguments about recording the history of the barn were met with the expected replies...Guy laughed it up a bit then left to help some other deserving souls. After a lunch in Hammond, Bob took a siesta. Grant and I restocked the inside wood supply and then we worked on the Prototype - and gave thanks that the mosquitoes have yet to make their bloody appearances. I decided that I would like to see what damage was inflicted on the roof by mother nature. Both the front small and rear large sliding hatches were gummed shut with more than a lot of tar. The front hatch cover came away without too much of fight and I was pleasantly surprised of the good shape it was in.  The rear hatch opening hardware was rusted into place and would not rotate. So, we soaked it with penetrating fluid and will wait until it does its magic. Initial assessment - the roof has to come off and it seems that it should, being bolted to the upper vertical panels. There are a lot of rust holes along the front edge and along the rain channels. It may take a lot of time and spot welding to replace the rotted away metal, but it will be worth the effort. Grant gave the interior a blast with the air hose and I think the Prototype lost about 25 pounds...We decided to let the dust settle and have a go at the truck next week. Thanks for the help Grant, Guy and Bob. It was appreciated.
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Exciting times for the wider CMP community
What great news to hear she's to be restored, and what a caring custodian she has gone to as well.
I remember my sense of awe when Brian first took me to visit the chicken ranch - an experience I'll always treasure. And I also endorse the comments about we being custodians of these artifacts. For some, like Brian the custodian also has a more important role: he was the one to save it in the first place (and in this case with an unlikely Aussie connection). In addition to the pictures on my OldCMP site there is also a video walkaround and interview with Brian on the "Year of the Blitz" DVD.
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