Richie's Mk1 Restoration

[Lynn Eades]

Well come on Phillip, I'm waitng for the detail pics of your scout.

[RichardT10829]

couple of queries i have. one being the lower hull number 10131 anyone any idea's about this as it seems to have one digit too many ?

secondly i will have to put the base coat onto the lower hull so i can get the road wheels etc back on can anyone tell me what cammo scheme would have been used by RSF or KOYLI regiments in Italy and Persia ? i have asked before and was refered to a chap that has written books on cammo for mv's but only came back with a "possible" general pattern used, which was sand and a light green which does not appear on any pics i have seen of vehicles in Italy at the time my Grandad was there.

[shaun]

Hi Richie,
Glad the wagon go to you OK. Now the fun starts. as for the paint/colours i would surgest that you build it in the factory finish green for a start and then do the cammo once you have finished the build. that way you get the correct colour layer build up. I always use a paint made by Cromadex its a 222 fast air drying, matt - egg shell - or full gloss , they do all the BS paint codes as well as all the RAL. ( may be some one on the forum knows the colour code ) from spraying to being able to handle the paint part is about 15 mins. its a good hard paint but will take anything on top of it.

Yes the move is now over (150 loads) so i have a bit of time on my hands again to sit infront of the computor.

Keep at it !
Shaun

[rob love]

10131 is a normal hull serial number. I have seen many numbers around that serial block, and many of them were mortar carriers.

The numbers on the carrier (lower, upper, serial number) would normally be several hundred apart by this time of production. Mk1 carriers can run up to around 17 or 18000, with mk2 carriers running from there up to the end of production.

[RichardT10829]

Rob, am i reading the lists wrong in Nigels book, the numbers on the lists only have four digits. i know what your saying though. It would be nice to find out what it was and if it was used by any particular regiment.

busy maing a gantry system that the hull can drop onto, it has four castor type wheels this will make moving the bare hull around much easier without making stuff to bolt onto the tub.

more pics to follow as the build/tear down progresses

[rob love]

I do not have Nigel's book, so am not familiar with the list you are talking about. I offer the following data from one of the 5 carriers we stripped in Northern Ontario several years back:

CTno: CT113354
Date of Mfgr: 10-23-1942
Front armour: 11101
Div Plate: CB10099
Hull no 10094

DND markings 42-1-8591 and also T56-749

Note that this hull serial is just 30 or so away from yours. In the absence of any other numbers, you can go with numbers near to what was listed above and be in the ballpark.

If someone has Peter Ford's infoex around, they might be able to come up with some closer numbers, but 30 +- isn't bad.

[RichardT10829]

Well Sunday the rear axel will be comming off and the engine out the hull. can the rear axel be removed with the engine in situ ? i only ask as if i can drop the axel off i will get the engine hoist in much closer to do the lift for the engine.
pics will follow on sunday.

Rich

and back to the number query CT 113354 is listed in a batch (CT112735 - 113685) UC Mk? 951 units made by contract number CDLV213 by ford Canada so if my tub number being 30 or so from the one you provided may put it into this batch......at least we know it was Mk1 ! will have to tell Nigel. typical mine would potentially be in the unknown section hahahahaha.

[Nigel Watson]

Originally Posted by RichardT10829

Rob, am i reading the lists wrong in Nigels book, the numbers on the lists only have four digits. i know what your saying though. It would be nice to find out what it was and if it was used by any particular regiment.

busy maing a gantry system that the hull can drop onto, it has four castor type wheels this will make moving the bare hull around much easier without making stuff to bolt onto the tub.

more pics to follow as the build/tear down progresses

Hi Richie, great thread. We should all do this, you learn so much.

I am presuming you are referring to the documents I reproduced showing carrier allocation to Canadian Regiments? These are only for 107 carriers and are from the first 300 made, so they have the three and four digit serial numbers.

If you assume the Lower Hull Nos. run consecutively, and using Robs example you would be hoping for some of the numbers around 11391 for its CT number. Quite a bit away from 14508. Until someone finds records showing the links between Serial, Lower and Upper Hull Numbers, and WD Numbers or collates everyones 'numbers' from their carriers and finds a pattern, then you go with your best assumption at the time and if something changes it in the future then you cross that bridge when you get to it. In case it's any consolation, I have the complete front armour and numbers of mine but apart from the date, manufacturer, proof stamp the Serial No. 2109 was all I had so I presumed the WD by working consecutively to come up with it. Maybe one day I'll find the ID plate that reads Serial No. 2109, Date of Manufacture July 1941, Manufacturer Ford...one day!

Nigel

[RichardT10829]

ITS FINNISHED !!!!



just kidding my pals bought me a model kit as a joke.....i am a joke you see 29 year old bloke not interested in fast cars but old buckets of rust (or so it would seem)

joke is on them as i used it to try out various cammo schemes in use during my grandfathers service, ended up with this one western desert into Tunissia 42-43

not too dissimilar to yours Nigel but the red will be replaced with brown....... should stand out a tad hehehehehe.