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20-07-09, 20:01
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Hammond Barn Update - Finally!
It has been a really weird summer - weather wise and barn activity wise. The weather has been very odd. We still have Spring like conditions at the barn. There is no shortage of mud and water in Hammond...The mosquito and black fly forces are not in short supply but for some reason they seem to have learned to swim.
The first part of our "summer" was taken up with the recovery of more than a few CMPs -three HUP frames/cabs and one HUP body for me, Bob and Grant also "scored" some CMP frames of which they will regale the forum with tales of conquest and daring do... Here is a shot of a frame that mysteriously appeared over the past few weeks:   I finally got some time at the barn last weekend. I decided to swap out the front shocks on the 45 HUP. The "new" shocks have a greater curve on the arms and match those seen on other 45s. So, off came the old shocks with relative ease - cue nefarious musical intro... I mounted one of the new shocks and everything went very well until I tried to fit the down links. With the shock arm in the full down position (which is near horizontal) I attached the top of the down link and noticed a small gap at the bottom end (at least one inch).   I will weigh my options, but it looks like I will remount the "old" shocks unless I find a 10 1/4 in down link... In other news: Unfortunately, BB will not happen this year. Given the current economic situation and our less than synchronized schedules, it was felt that we should postpone until things settle down. That being said, we will have a summer Gracies call - more to follow on that.
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RHC Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$? Last edited by RHClarke; 21-07-09 at 02:14. 
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28-07-09, 03:25
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Sometime Ya Gotta Laugh
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07-08-09, 02:54
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Some Activity at the Barn
Not too much to report:
Bob is spending the remainder of his vacation splitting wood. Grant is busy with his Mr. Manual duties. Guy was away watching oversized kettles boil. So I had the barn all to my self. After a quick brake bleed, a lube job and oil change, I moved the HUP out of the barn and back into it's shelter - which has dried out somewhat after our prolonged monsoon season here in Ottawa. I posted a poor video on photobucket (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...SummerTest.flv). You should notice a squeaking sound when I shift gears - that is the clutch pedal rubbing the foot plate which is just wired into place. As well, there is a grinding noise when I first move her out into the sun - that is the starter shifter knob wobbling around. The starter is causing some issues - if the knob is too far forward, the gears engage. Too far backwards and the grinding occurs. I hope that a thin spacer between the starter housing and the bell housing will fix this annoying problem - any other suggestions?
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RHC Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$? Last edited by RHClarke; 07-08-09 at 03:19.
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07-08-09, 03:26
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Nice video......
On the screeching/sparking starter drive......
I would like to compare the linkage to the other HUP hulks you have to see what differences we can observe....... From by brief look at the prototype..... it seems your starter lever to be too far back when disengaged...... ......also to be remembered..... we ran the engine before and did not have that problem........ ...maybe something let go inside the drive mechanism of the starter.... we have other 216 starters to compare with....... it seems to me that the starter drive has a coil spring that holds the gear retracted..... the spring tension is overcome by the lever pulling and the starter torque when power is applied........ but that spring may have let go.... and allows the gear to be easily nudged forward grinding on the flywheel.... I am almost sure we need to pull the starter to check it out.... ....will do a two some..... I need to pull mine to install the new brushes and the new top mounted switch...... also have a new fork to install as the one presently on has flat spots on the swivel pins..... Will get it sorted you...... Boob
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17-08-09, 16:59
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Start me (h)up!
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17-08-09, 17:25
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Hot times at the hammond barn
Saturday: 32oC - Bob and I spent the first part of the morning splitting and stacking wood. Then it got too damned hot. So, we retired to the barn, swapped out a starter and fiddled around with various bits and pieces of CMP history.
After reinstalling the HUP starter, I took the old girl for a short run. Bob looked like he wanted to give the HUP a try, so I offered him the opportunity. Little did I know that we would be going on a road trip! Bob took the HUP cross country to the big field where we bounced along the real estate in fine style. We had an issue with shifting, but found that the lock out lever had to be in a special location on the shift lever in order to let us shift gears - keep in mind that the HUP had only been driven in first and reverse to this point, so it was a bit of an educational process for us... After 20 minutes of joy riding, I drove the HUP back to the barn (got up to third gear no less!). The Metal Mistress rode smoothly and handled quite well! Some lessons learned: - lock out lever position is critical; - CMPs do not possess power steering; - 30kph in a CMP is FAST! - CMPs are thirsty bastards; and most importantly - Bob liked driving the HUP. The day ended with a beer and the realization that Bob is the second most experienced HUP driver in Eastern Ontario. Sunday: 32oC+ overcast. Grant joined the party. The early morning was spent loading the trailer with the scrap firewood, which will be fed to Lucifer when Ottawa freezes again. Bob and his neighbour Bruce, joined us for a wood splitting and stacking morning. I spent the time with the weed-whacker knocking down the jungle that sprouted over the rainy season (April-mid August). After lunch, we mounted the front clip onto the HUP. It really made the truck look good!  I took the truck for a ride in the back field and made some new trails thru the swamp maples...After a short trip, I headed back to the barn. My starter started to smoke so I shut the HUP down by removing the battery lead - which was friggin hot! Next time I'll use my gloves... Back to the barn I went, where Bob and Grant were adjusting the plugs on Bob's truck. Bob fired up his CMP and towed the HUP back to the barn, whilst giggling about HUPs and their "personalities". As a lark, we compared the 20 in tires to the 16 in tires on the HUP - they might fit:  After swapping out the starter, I took another test ride and most things worked well. I had an issue with the auto choke on the Rocky B carb, but Grant came to the rescue with a new clip. Next challenge is to fix the accelerator linkage. Bob took his truck out for a spin and ended walking back for a recovery mission. I smiled at the irony...  Bob did a fast diagnosis and it looks like there is a problem with the transfer case/transmission/linkage, which means there will be a tear down this week coming...Bob in his office:  All too soon, the end of the day approached. Bob, Grant and I cleaned up the barn, put the trucks away and sat down for a beer in the shade. It must have been really hot, as the beer disappeared really fast... It was a great weekend at the Hammond barn despite the setbacks.
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RHC Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$? Last edited by RHClarke; 21-08-09 at 03:45.
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18-08-09, 05:58
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Say, you don't have a spare set of shock links and a rear/side door on any of those HUPs you picked up, do you? Cheers MP
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Member: Prairie Command, Ex-Military Land Rover Association 2110, MVPA 29055 ’45 Chevrolet C8A CMP HUP “Staff Car ”, ’82 Land Rover Series III, 109" ex-MoD, ’80 Honda CX500D, ’48 Ferguson TE20
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17-08-09, 17:37
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Questions and thoughs about starter
Hi Guys
Couple of questions and observations about the starter. 1. Does yours have the return spring on the linkage that pulls it all the way back when disengaged? Without this spring the starter drive can slide back and hit the ring gear. 2. Is the lever hitting anything when the starter is fully engaged? There should be a half to a full inch of travel in the lever once everything is engaged. There is spring on the start drive which allows for over travel and to be sure that the switch has over travel to insure full engagement. With out the over travel you can end up with the switch or drive not engaging fully. 3. Watch out for some of the aftermarket switches which do not have over travel spring, in which case the adjustment of the linkage becomes very important. 4. Dose your starter have a thrust washer at the flywheel end? 5. How many teeth does your starter have 9 or 10 and is this a match for your flywheel? Reason I'm asking all of these questions as I have just had to pull the starter out of Beauty, 261 engine with 216 flywheel and ring gear. Reason the starter drive first started making funny noises, and spinning without engaging immediately. Then spinning and not engaging. I'm using the original 6 volt 216 starter which worked fine until recently. From the sounds and poor speed spinning the engine I had suspected that starter was at fault. Beauty is set up with a battery selector switch so I can give the starter 6 volt or 12 volts from the radio battery. With the floor up and the brush band off I could see that the starter was turning but the engine wasn't. When I removed it and removed the drive unit I discovered that the drive unit, original to the truck 63 years old, which is a one way over ride clutch would no longer lock up completely. New drive ordered. Only difficulty with finding a new one was being sure that it was a 9 tooth to match the original. If you need pictures of the starter and linkage on another late 45 HUP let me know and I'll take up the floor plate on mine and take pictures. Cheers Phil
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17-08-09, 20:09
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Reply from Bob......
Couple of questions and observations about the starter.
1. Does yours have the return spring on the linkage that pulls it all the way back when disengaged? Without this spring the starter drive can slide back and hit the ring gear.I installed an avaialble soft throttle spring and it seems to be holding the handle back out of the way. 2. Is the lever hitting anything when the starter is fully engaged? There should be a half to a full inch of travel in the lever once everything is engaged. There is spring on the start drive which allows for over travel and to be sure that the switch has over travel to insure full engagement. With out the over travel you can end up with the switch or drive not engaging fully.Seems most of the problem was in the bent starter backet and the handle...once straightened out they were fine.... 3. Watch out for some of the aftermarket switches which do not have over travel spring, in which case the adjustment of the linkage becomes very important.We rebuild an old starter and that one worked but seemed to draw current like an old toaster.........actually the saem switch was used/swapped between the toaster and the good one 4. Dose your starter have a thrust washer at the flywheel end?The old toaster one did not the replacement he installed back in place at the end of Sunday di have the washers.... on a positive note....Rob can now remove and reinstall a starter inless than 30 minutes and that includes swapping the switch......... 5. How many teeth does your starter have 9 or 10 and is this a match for your flywheel?....Never did count the little suckers.... next time it breaksd own and Rob removes it we will count them.... probably in the next two weeks.... Reason I'm asking all of these questions as I have just had to pull the starter out of Beauty, 261 engine with 216 flywheel and ring gear. Reason the starter drive first started making funny noises, and spinning without engaging immediately. Then spinning and not engaging. I'm using the original 6 volt 216 starter which worked fine until recently. From the sounds and poor speed spinning the engine I had suspected that starter was at fault. Beauty is set up with a battery selector switch so I can give the starter 6 volt or 12 volts from the radio battery. With the floor up and the brush band off I could see that the starter was turning but the engine wasn't. When I removed it and removed the drive unit I discovered that the drive unit, original to the truck 63 years old, which is a one way over ride clutch would no longer lock up completely. New drive ordered. Only difficulty with finding a new one was being sure that it was a 9 tooth to match the original.Phil we have a bunch of old starters.... if you can't find one let us know... we can ship from UPS cheap in upper NY. If you need pictures of the starter and linkage on another late 45 HUP let me know and I'll take up the floor plate on mine and take pictures.
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Bob Carriere....B.T.B C15a Cab 11 Hammond, Ontario Canada Last edited by Bob Carriere; 17-08-09 at 21:06.
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