M38A1 CDN3 106mm recoilless rifle Garage find

army brat · #1 21-08-09, 05:25

I have to thank everyone for all the information on the M38.
It's so great to have the history for the life of the M38 during it's time with the DND.
I will be sure to post pic's as soon as I start to work on it.

Thanks again

Mark

servicepub (RIP) · #2 21-08-09, 23:15

OK, I don't have my copy of "Staff Duties in the Field" close at hand. Who can ID the tac sign on the bumper?
Also, it appears the the Equipment Classification Code (ECC) is incorrect. It should read 121310

maple_leaf_eh · #3 01-09-09, 05:04

The tactical sign is airborne infantry. Crossed bandoliers with a "gull" wing airborne inside the bounding box. Probably CAR in Cyprus or 3 Mech Cdo (but did they do a Cyprus rotation?), since the battalions did not have airborne companies like they do today.

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OK, I don't have my copy of "Staff Duties in the Field" close at hand. Who can ID the tac sign on the bumper?

Wayne Hingley · #4 22-12-15, 00:07

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... Also, it appears the the Equipment Classification Code (ECC) is incorrect. It should read 121310

Hi Clive. I was looking through this older thread and was interested to see if you are now able to clarify the ECC issue noted above. The info in your Ramtank site shows the CDN3's as having codes of 121301, same as the code on the bumper of the UN Jeep in the photo. However the table (in post #5) listing all the 106RCL Jeeps uses the ECC 121310. Is it possible that the code listing in that table is incorrect? Im also curious why it references M151 in the category column. Thanks for any new info you can add.

I will send you data and photos of three M38A1's for the website in the coming months. Wayne

Ed Storey · #5 22-12-15, 01:52

ECC Code 121310 is indeed correct for a M38CDN3 with RCL Kit. It was common Ordnance practice to stencil the basic ECC vehicle code on the front right bumper of vehicles and this would not necessarily be painted over when the vehicle was modified.

As for the M151 designation on the listing, chalk it up to input error by DND.

Wayne Hingley · #6 22-12-15, 03:48

Thanks for confirming that information Ed. My next question is; what is the second number used for... It seems the six digit ECC already describes the vehicle and its attributes. So how/why is the following one, two or three digit designation used?

Ed Storey · #7 22-12-15, 04:00

The 1, 2 or 3 relates to the model of M38A1CDN so there is an ECC code for every vehicle type within the M model.

Wayne Hingley · #8 22-12-15, 05:26

Sorry, my previous question was not well worded. I was not referring to the CDN 1, 2 or 3 series, but the other digits listed after the ECC on the list from the ramtank page.

Eg: Under M38A1 CDN2 the list shows:

121201 = BASIC = 616
121202 = W/WINCH = 96

Since the "201" means "BASIC", what is the need for the 3 digit 616, or since "202" means "With winch", then why the two digit 96? And so on...

Why was there an additional set of numbers to describe the equipment?

Thanks, and sorry to be a pain with the questions... (just trying to understand the information provided by the experts).
Wayne