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Old 15-10-09, 02:50
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G'day Chevrolet 216 engine owners

If one of you has a 216 engine hooked up to a 6 volt battery could you please walk to your truck and look at the battery. While doing this could you please take a moment to write down what the name of the manufacturer is and what the product code is? After doing this could you post it on the MLU forum for me. Please; pretty please and even with sugar on top

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Hello Tony and Paul,
In my ignorance I thought I was asking a really simple question.

I am now reminded of a milk ad on TV. A bloke walks into a corner store and walks up to the lady behind the counter and he asks, “ I would like a bottle of milk please.”
The old lady behind the counter stares at him for a while and says, “what type of milk do you want?” and then she reels off a big list of alternatives, “Full cream; half cream; extra dollop…” and the list just goes on and on.

The guy stands there with a stunned expression on his face and says, “I just wanted a bottle of milk which just tastes like real milk!”

I just thought I was just asking for a battery so it would help my truck make vroom vroom noises again – looks like there are as many varieties of batteries as there is types of milk for sale.

Well no one can say that you don’t learn something every time you visit MLU or work on an old military truck!

Thanks for your help – I do appreciate it– just takes a while to get over the feeling of “I just wanted some milk which tastes like real milk”

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Old 15-10-09, 05:20
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A simple answer to your complex question is "YES" most early vehicles were 6 volt and could, may and did use the same battery in many cases. Vehicles using 12 volt systems became more common in the late 50's - 60's
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Old 15-10-09, 12:26
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Hello Tony and Paul,
In my ignorance I thought I was asking a really simple question.

I just thought I was just asking for a battery so it would help my truck make vroom vroom noises again – looks like there are as many varieties of batteries as there is types of milk for sale.

Well no one can say that you don’t learn something every time you visit MLU or work on an old military truck!

Thanks for your help – I do appreciate it– just takes a while to get over the feeling of “I just wanted some milk which tastes like real milk”

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Lionel
The number of plates refers to the lead plates in each shell. You can see from the pic of the top of my Batt, there are 3 cells in a 6v batt. Each cell produces about 2.2v, so a 6v batt actully puts out 6.6v, while a 12v batt will have 6 cells producing 13.2v. The number of cells in a given case size will limit the number of plates able to fit into the cell. In 12v batts, 9 or 11 plates are standard, with truck and 4wd ones going up to 13, 15, or 17 plates as Heavy Duty. 6v batts have more generous cell sizes, so around 15 plates is standard, with some being 17 or 19. Superior cells to a 12v battery.

The Group refers to the dimensions of the battery, and this can affect you in two ways. The dimensions of the battery can determine the cca and A/H rating and the wrong choice could mean insufficient reserve. Also if you truck retains it's original battery box and hold-down bracket, a different size may not physically fit or the terminals may be in the wrong place (or even short out on bodywork). A Group 1 will fit into a Group 2 box, but might not be enough power, while a Group 2 will be more than sufficient for Group 1 needs, but could be too big to fit in the space provided.

You would be more than welcome to use a Ford 6v battery, but it is a Group 2 size (2HF), which is 10 1/4" x 7 1/4" x 9 1/2" and turns out a respectable 875cca (all the better to turn all 8 cyls, count 'em!) This of course sits perfectly in the original Batt box with the original hold-down clamp.

6 volt batteries are not that common these days, although Deep-cycle ones are available for Golf Buggies. Deep-Cycle batteries are not ideal as cranking batts for a daily driver, but might have advantages for a vintage truck that gets driven every 2 months.

Take the sizes and rating in to your Auto Elec and find out what he can get.
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Old 16-10-09, 06:46
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The number of plates refers to the lead plates in each shell. You can see from the pic of the top of my Batt, there are 3 cells in a 6v batt. Each cell produces about 2.2v, so a 6v batt actully puts out 6.6v, while a 12v batt will have 6 cells producing 13.2v. The number of cells in a given case size will limit the number of plates able to fit into the cell. In 12v batts, 9 or 11 plates are standard, with truck and 4wd ones going up to 13, 15, or 17 plates as Heavy Duty. 6v batts have more generous cell sizes, so around 15 plates is standard, with some being 17 or 19. Superior cells to a 12v battery.

The Group refers to the dimensions of the battery, and this can affect you in two ways. The dimensions of the battery can determine the cca and A/H rating and the wrong choice could mean insufficient reserve. Also if you truck retains it's original battery box and hold-down bracket, a different size may not physically fit or the terminals may be in the wrong place (or even short out on bodywork). A Group 1 will fit into a Group 2 box, but might not be enough power, while a Group 2 will be more than sufficient for Group 1 needs, but could be too big to fit in the space provided.

You would be more than welcome to use a Ford 6v battery, but it is a Group 2 size (2HF), which is 10 1/4" x 7 1/4" x 9 1/2" and turns out a respectable 875cca (all the better to turn all 8 cyls, count 'em!) This of course sits perfectly in the original Batt box with the original hold-down clamp.
G'day Tony,

As both my trucks have just about no remnant of where the battery box was the size of it is not really an issue anymore. The idea of having plenty of juice to turn reluctant engine and being able to put a decent load on the battery makes getting a Group 2 size (2HF) sound good. Do any come without that F-word written on the side?

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Old 16-10-09, 06:51
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I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before, but You should call your local Auto Electrician and see what he can get in stock.
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Old 16-10-09, 06:57
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I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before, but You should call your local Auto Electrician and see what he can get in stock.
G'day YES, YOU DID TONY.

And guess what I HAVE BEEN to an auto electrican and I was shown two batteries and told about another possible one. I was given a choice between "that one there," or "that one there" and "not sure about if I can still get the other one which is not here."

HENCE my reason for posting on MLU. This is despite my giving the make model year engine capacity and voltage of my truck.

OKAY and I only wanted milk that tastes like real milk....

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Old 16-10-09, 07:05
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I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before, but You should call your local Auto Electrician and see what he can get in stock.

G'day Tony,

I readily admit to knowing Jack Shit about somethings. So to get the right information I did go to a supposed qualified person and I was left far from satisfied with the result. That is why I posted a message to people who have been doing this stuff for years and actually have batteries they are happy with. So as I result I posted a question on this glorious site.

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My late father-in-law used to drive up to an agricultural shop and buy tractor batteries for his cars. Are there any 6v agricultural batteries available still?

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Old 16-10-09, 10:52
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My late father-in-law used to drive up to an agricultural shop and buy tractor batteries. Are there any 6v .... batteries available still?
Precisely. Things do go out of production. It is irrelevant to say that Mr A uses "Brand X, model Y" if they are no longer available from a supplier. In the past 10 years (admittedly long in the life of a battery), so many suppliers have discontinued lines or even gone out of business altogether, while new Chinese brands have appeared. For someone to say "I have had great results from this battery" means little if that battery can no longer be found. Lionel, your choices are limited by what you can actually buy today. You might find that plain milk is no longer available.
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