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18-11-09, 17:56
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I am by no means an expert on these compared to some others on here, but having owned two at one point, and currently rolling restoring the better of the two, so I have some incite. All the records I have seen indicate that there were 935 M151A2s purchased back in 1974. Most of the "plain" 151s were disposed in 87/88, with some of the special equipment models like the TOW versions as late as 89/90. The very early and very late disposals seem to be the least likely to have been "demilled". Rob Love can better speak to the actual nuances of the process for "Demilling" as I think he scrapped 30 of them. The disposal process with these was exactly why I wanted one. No offence to anyone else's choice of MV, but I wanted something I wasn't likely going to run into regularly, and conversly, due to the fact that 98% were scrapped in both the US and Canada, there is a huge stockpile of spare parts available for them. Nearly every part on it can still be purchased NOS. There is of course the whole bit about them not being a "Real Jeep", even though early A1s were built by Willys. I'm not going to dwell on that as the whole thing is really rediculous seeing as how little an M38A1 has in common with a GPW/MB, yet its still considered a "Real Jeep". Ironically, 99% of people I run into at Gas Stations and Tim Hortons think its either a WWII Jeep or an Iltis, and as mentioned in other funny posts, many also seem to think they know more about it than I do. When I tell them its a 74, more often than not, they roll their eyes in disbelief. Although, I did have one situation where a person actually correctly identified it and mentioned that he thought that "MUTTs" were illegal to register and drive on the road. There are some Canadian 151s out there that are "Un-Cut", but these are extremely rare, and with rust being the biggest killer of 151s aside from the disposal process, i'd go out on a limb to say the numbers of Un-Cut original Canadian 151s are in the lower end of the double digits. To add to the scarcity, at least half of the "Un-Cut" 151s in Canada that I have seen are actually surplused US imports. Although the whole disposal process was dictated by the US, obviously through sheer numbers alone, more "Un-Cut" 151s survive in the US. The differences in MWOs and Mods over their lifespan make it very easy to differentiate between US and Cdn 151s. Both of mine were "Demilled". One being an early "Saw Cut", ie, a single clean cut across the centre under the Seats. The other was a later "Saw Cut" that required a 1' strip cut out of the centre. From what I understand, this "strip" had to be returned to DND. In both cases, they match, so it wasn't a mix and match scenario. I've even heard that some ended up being crushed flat after being cut, but I can't verify that. As far as value. Its all in the "eye of the beholder" like everything else I guess. Mine both cost around $2500ish each (in rough shape), although from a Rust standpoint, one was virtually Rust free by M151A2 standards. I have easily spent another couple of K on parts and shop consumables getting the nicer one roadworthy. Surely an "Un-Cut" version is going to fetch a significant amount more, but these are hardly a monetary investment regardless  In my own case, getting a Canadian 151 that I could get the history/provenance on was priority number one. The fact that it is Cut is annoying, but i'd rather a Cut Canadian 151 than an "Un-Cut" US 151, but thats just my take.As far as the whole issue of being Cut, versus the Motor Vehicle folks; i've seen far worse scrap repaired and put on the road. At least mine is virtually incapable of speeds over 60mph (suicide). For what its worth, it went through inspection just fine. It has been repaired correctly, and really isn't that noticable unless you're looking for a Cut line. Mine is registered as an AMC Jeep and not an M151A2. I have a much longer post in this sub-forum detailing much of my efforts getting my M151A2 put back on the road. Scotty B
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18-11-09, 18:03
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Seems Rob and I were typing at the same time
Rob, its way past your bed time  Scotty
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18-11-09, 18:28
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Just out of curiosity, what are the differences between Canuckistani MUTTs and Murricun MUTTs? Idle curiosity only - I've only owned M-series jeeps as well as a CJ, two Canadian-made YJs and (presently) a TJ. I like the look of MUTTs though.
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18-11-09, 19:26
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The differences between the US Army/US Air Force and Cdn M151A2s all stem from the Mods that were completed during service, as they all came off of the same assembly line in no particular order. The USMC M151A2 have some minor differences from the others consisting of a long Front Bumper with Lifting Tabs the lack of Lifting Tabs on the Wheel Hubs and most had Fording Kits. The biggest external visual differences are: Paint Scheme, Grill Guard made from Expanded Metal, Mirrors mounted on both Front Fenders, Spare Tire/Antenna Base Bracket (has the Spare Tire mounted in reverse to US models), CFR/Licence Plate Mounting Tabs welded to Left Bumperette and sometimes the Front Bumper, and Some Antenna AMU were mounted directly to the Rear Top corners of the ROPS (US used Corner Mounts with extensions and Sugar Scoops). More detailed differences are (depending on how stripped the M151A2 is, these will only be spotted by the holes left behind): With the ROPS installed, the Weight and Dimension Plate is cut in Half and riveted to the Windshield Frame above the Passenger Grab Handle (US is most often riveted complete behind Passenger Grab Handle), Ansul Fire Extinguisher mounted on Transmission Tunnel Cover (US is behind the Driver Seat on side of Wheelhouse), Although both used the VRC-12 Comms Systems during that era, US and CDN mounting systems for the MT-1029 and Antenna AMU are completely different and CDN Comms installs used C2299 Boxes on Passenger side Wheelhouse, and L Shaped Brackets on the Front Corners of the Wheelhouses. The IKEE (Radio Power Supply) were bolted to these, ROPS and Mounts/Feet are completely different, and when installed CDN did not use Top Bows, had 3 Point Seat Belts, and the US moved the Light Switch closer to the Steering Column, CDN SMG Mount sometimes found on the Windshield Frame between the Defroster Louvres, CDN Doors used non-folding Frames and had modified inside Handles to secure to the ROPS Cage rather than Top Rods, Both the Upper and Lower Door Pin Mounting Tabs are different. There is also the Decals. This is by no means comprehensive. The actual lists of US and CDN MWOs will identify a few others, but these are the visual differences that can be picked out at a glance, even if its just the location of bolt holes. Scotty
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18-11-09, 19:56
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Hi All
Thanks for the help ......... WOW just ask and thou shall recieve around here  Well sounds like if you were to have one guess you should enjoy it for what it is, a cut up refabbed piece of history to save and enjoy just like all the other MV out there, kinda funny how the CDN military does not want this kind of stuff in private hands, heck it took our ( taxpayers ) dollars to buy it all for crazy prices in the first place, guess its all about liability . Im waiting to see how they are going to handle the disposal of the CDN Deuce truck here in the next few years after they get the new binders to replace them, would be a shame to not be able to aquire them should be an interesting read. Thanks all .....
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18-11-09, 21:03
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Anyway, there have been quite a few discussions as to why they should or shouldn't be sold for legal legit use on the road. The big highlight that seems to tweek my memory was the unconventional Air Over Hydraulic Brake System on the Truck that when they fail, there is no reliable back-up system. Not sure if that is the actual "policy" or just urban legend. Either way, most that have been sold so far seem to be showing up without Starters. Although the Engines are not uncommon in commercial vehicles, the 24v Starter may require some digging around. Crying shame really. There are some really nice specimens floating around out there, low milage etc. Then there are the others Ontario and further East that you will put your foot through the Fender trying to check the Fluids
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18-11-09, 21:22
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Re: Scotty
Thanks for that, I had no idea there were that many differences! It's interesting, probably because virtually the only time one sees them up here is on TV, depicting Viet Nam use.
Ref your TJ, mine is set up pretty well methinks. I have a 2-inch suspension lift, deep-dish 15" wheels running 32-1150 x 15 Goodyears on Dana 4.10 axles, together with a Warn 8000x winch on front. I also have gas and water cans mounted ahead of the doors. Despite the paint job, we DON'T attract overt attention by the local constabulary, which is always good... I think my set-up is ideal for regular use and especially in winter when things get messy. I have to admit I haven't used it offroad yet, but my '92 YJ was set up somewhat the same (albeit with 31-1050s) and it worked like a charm. I AM curious as to how my coil-spring suspension will compare with the old leaf springs I know too well, though...  BTW, I have a full OD softtop for it, but DO need to find a set of half-doors for next summer...
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18-11-09, 21:58
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Cir 2001 in Gagetown: (No comments about the tires please ) Cir 2005 in Petawawa:  Cir 2008 in Trenton right before I sold it     Sorry for the Hijack....
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but most were cut, anyone with any pics of there own or can fill in the blancs would be great, more currious than anything..... seems we talk alot about Jeeps and Willy's but the MUTT seems to be not so popular prolly due to the disposal process.
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