Ford 3 ton CMP

[derk derin]

Hi All,
I have taken pictures of my CMP and will now attempt to post them so forgive any mistakes as this may take more than one try! The first 5 pictures are of the truck.

Derk.

[NORTH-SHORE(CANADA)]

Hi,
Look like a nice projet any pic of the interior

[cliff]

missing the LH fuel Tank and tow hook but apart from that looks fairly complete and a good project especially since it is a Ford.

[derk derin]

Hi All,
I am trying to learn how to post pictures and right now have my brother in laws help,not sure I can do it on my own at home so I will try and post as many pictures as possible now!
Here are some interior shots of the CMP.

[derk derin]

These are the data plates on the vehicle.Thanks to Alan from Australia for supplying me with the rest of the plates I need to restore and register my truck.

[derk derin]

I am not sure of these items that are part of the truck.The bracket welded above the drivers side windshield frame on the roof panel,the 2 loop brackets that are bolted beside the hangers for the windscreen bag(which I am looking for the stowage bag!)and There is a shadow behind the passengers headspace on the back roof panel,was there a crash pad originally glued there.The manual shows a crash pad above the crews head on the top.Did they have them also behind their heads?

[Howard]

Looks like a nice starting point, and quite rust-free, too!
Good luck with your project & keep us posted.

[Rob Fast]

You finally got your 134" chassis for the ambulance body. Fellow MLU'ers, keep your eye on this restoration. Dirk is a big time Prairie Command member and the kit he has for this restoration will blow you away when he is done. I might suggest Beltring quality. Great pics. Cheers Rob

Sorry to put the pressure on you Dirk.

[derk derin]

The truck has these markings on it.The bridge class is 9 but when I put my ambulance body on it would the bridge class stay the same or is it heavier and require a higher bridge class number?The windshield glass gave me the year of the truck that had 1-44 and some other info in black ink.The formation sign shadow was still on the passenger side nose but could not recover a number or a division color.There was no marks on the drivers side of the nose.

[derk derin]

Guys,
I am on a roll with the pictures so will continue with the Ambulance body that will be going onto the truck.The body will need alot of sheet metal work but the stretcher racks are in there,blanket lockers,lights but I have to find the water tank that bolts to the top of the locker and a stewart warner 978 heater in 6 volt.I just realized I have to take pictures of the interior but here is a shot of the outside and 2 shots of the data plates.

[derk derin]

Originally Posted by Rob Fast

You finally got your 134" chassis for the ambulance body. Fellow MLU'ers, keep your eye on this restoration. Dirk is a big time Prairie Command member and the kit he has for this restoration will blow you away when he is done. I might suggest Beltring quality. Great pics. Cheers Rob

Sorry to put the pressure on you Dirk.

Rob,
You're making me blush.I hope I can keep up with the standards as I am among serious professional restorers here,I do appreciate the help and guidance I am getting here on MLU. This truck is the 158 1/2'' wheel base F60,George isn't ready to sell his F30 cwt yet and I couldn't wait any longer!
Derk.

[jim fraser (RIP)]

hi derk.that is a real beauty.congratulations,regards jim.

[derk derin]

Originally Posted by cliff

missing the LH fuel Tank and tow hook but apart from that looks fairly complete and a good project especially since it is a Ford.

Cliff,
Yes I still need a left hand gas tank and hangers but there was a wreck up in northern Manitoba that still had one on it.No time this year to see if it is still there but if I don't find one by spring,then I will go up and get it.The only other part I need is the crank guide bracket that bolts to the top of the bumper.Everything else I have in my boxes of parts and help from the local Prairie Command members like Rob!Thanks again for everyone's help.
Derk.

[derk derin]

These are the modifications that were added on to the truck.

[derk derin]

Here are other photo's,the small splash shield behind the rad overflow tank is nice to have.None of my other CMP's had this piece on them.The plug on the steering box had a piece of chip bag shoved in the hole so I scrounged a proper threaded plug and went to put it in and there were no threads in the hole.Were some of these holes not threaded and just had plugs in them or was this a missed step in the finishing process?I shoved a plastic plug in there for now until I find another steering box or a way of threading the hole again.The 2 rubber mounted L-brackets behind the radiator are also new to me as they were missing on my other trucks

[cmperry4]

Hey Derk, that is one nice project, amazingly complete (relatively speaking, in CMP terms) - it will be brilliant with the ambulance body.

I was wondering about those brackets on the bumper - snowplow, I'm guessing.

Pics also remind me I need to find an air filter for my transfer case. Now I know what I'm looking for.

[derk derin]

Hi Mark,
I am very happy to have found such a complete CMP to restore.It just means that I will have it restored sooner instead of holdups of looking for pieces!I was hoping for a 30 cwt but this will work for me just fine.I don't know what was mounted to the bumper but it was nice to just unbolt the brackets and throw them away.They even used some original holes.The only thing I have to grind off of the truck is the extra mirror arm bracket.The PTO and pully shaft are also just bolted on with a u clamp welded to the frame that is also easy to grind off.
How is your HUP project coming,any pictures posted lately?
Derk.

[Bob Carriere]

Thanks for posting all the photos Derk...... and keep posting them as you progress.

The windshield glass "Duolite" were manufactured by Duplate of Canada in Oshawa.... who like a lot of Canadian companies were taken over by the USA PPG Industries.

Duplate / PPG had a long tradition of supplying glass for GM..... they have now closed the raw flat glass plant in Owen Sounds, shut down the plant in Oshawa and closed the last windshield manufacturing plant in Hawkesbury, Ontario, East of Ottawa, early in November last.

All automotive glass for GM Canadian manufacturing is now imported from the US and/or Mexico......sad..!!!!

Boob

[S LATHERON]

my F60S LAAT was built in July 1944, I am missing those splash plates behind the Expansion tank and on the drivers side of engine bay. I cannot remember seeing that Filter on my TRANSFER BOX either but I will take a better look next time I am underneath the truck.
Nice to see Rifle butt holders and barrel / stock clamps all in place, all the bag stowage plates along rear cab joint are a handy reminder that I have not put mine back into my cab yet!
The passenger grab handle on the floor always raises a smile when I think what amount of movement these trucks make on un made roads.
I notice that you dash panel is the earlier version.
I look forward to seeing the completed vehicle in the months years to come

[derk derin]

I am glad the one windshield survived as it gave me the year of the truck.My only other possible clue would be a metal tag with the year soldered to the back of the radiator upper tank.I remember there being one on my 15 cwt when I changed engines.
My Ford MCP dump truck also had the date on the drivers side door glass,otherwise I wouldn't know the manufacture date for that vehicle either.
Interesting story on the glass company.Thanks for sharing it.
The filter on my transfere case was missing on my 15 cwt also.The large splash shield seemed to always come with my trucks but the small one behind the overflow tank I had never seen before I bought this CMP.They are easy to make if you had a way of stamping the long indent in them.
Derk.

[Keith Orpin]

Hi Derk,
I've just been admiring your latest restoration projects, namely the Ford GPW and the F60L. To find unrestored examples like those two, considering how complete and unmolested they are, after all these years, must make you feel very proud to be their new owner (I know I would be !). It's strange how 2 manufacturers can on the face of it turn out a similar looking truck, but in detail, there are so many differences, between the Ford & Chevrolet (and for that matter Ford and Willys). I'll be watching future postings of their rebuilds with great interest.
Regards
Keith

[servicepub (RIP)]

The markings on your 3-ton CMP represent the "Canadian Army Service Corps Training Centre". Many RCASC were drivers and the "L" (Learner) indicates that this truck was part of the driving school fleet.

Clive

[Phil Waterman]

Originally Posted by servicepub

The markings on your 3-ton CMP represent the "Canadian Army Service Corps Training Centre". Many RCASC were drivers and the "L" (Learner) indicates that this truck was part of the driving school fleet.

Clive

If this truck was used for training, new drivers, it may answer some age old questions or myths about new drivers.

1. What condition is the clutch plate, flywheel, pressure plate and are they original? Or do they show the wear of lots of drivers learning how to start on hills?

2. Are the teeth of the gears all rounded off? All that double clutch shifting or near misses in the effort to shift?

3. Are the brakes like new or are the worn right down to the rivets?

Derk needless to say you have a wonderful find. Wonder what the protocol of retaining the current door lettering and numbers even with ambulance body?

Cheers Phil

[derk derin]

Hi All,
Thanks for the great input for my learning lessons of the truck and it's history.I am now leary about opening up the transmission to see what is left of the clutch and gears but the RCEME mechanics were pretty good at maintaining their fleet of trucks I hope and gave this truck a rebuild so I have all new parts in it!( I can only hope).The truck is in running shape and the guy I bought it off had the brakes working and a new master cylinder installed so it shouldn't take alot of work to bring back to operational.The fact that it is in such good shape tells me it wasn't abused in the bush very much and you Ontario guys can tell me what year your province started to pour the salt to your roads that made them rot out so quickly? I would like to keep the original door markings and would be interested to know if they had ambulances on the base to train RCASC drivers that would let me keep the markings on the door?Anybody left around that could shed some light on the training centres vehicle lineup?I talked to Doug Weatherston about his 15 cwt with the RCASCTC markings but somehow drifted to a different subject and never finished what we were talking about.I will have to focus more next time and get the story of his truck!Thanks for all the input,it's appreciated.
Derk.

[Manfred Müllner]

Hi Derk!

My name is Manfred and I live in Vienna/Austria.
I have a Ford F15A in restoration.
I saw the pictures of your Ford F60L in the MLU Forum.
There is a plate with 5 holes above the windscreen on the driver’s site.
Do you know what this plate is for?

Best regards
Manfred

[Keith Webb]

Looks like a bracket to hold the arm of a sun visor.

Originally Posted by Manfred Müllner

Hi Derk!

My name is Manfred and I live in Vienna/Austria.
I have a Ford F15A in restoration.
I saw the pictures of your Ford F60L in the MLU Forum.
There is a plate with 5 holes above the windscreen on the driver’s site.
Do you know what this plate is for?

Best regards
Manfred

[derk derin]

Hi Manfred,
I had asked this question awhile back and the MLU forum members identified it as a sun visor bracket.I have never found one on a CMP here in Canada and so far no other members here in Canada say they have found one either.They seem to be used in Australia as the members there have remains of them on their CMP's.I have brought up the thread again for you to view the answers I received and see the pictures for yourself.Look at "Ford CMP bracket identification".Good luck with the restoration.Any pictures yet?
Off topic here but my Grandmother came from Vienna,Austria and immigrated here to Canada in 1912 to meet up with her parents that came the year earlier to settle the land they had in the Province of Saskatchewan and started farming,Met my grandfather,married in 1919 and started a farm of their own,had 9 children including my dad and so here I am!Hope to visit Austria one day and maybe do some family research.
Regards,Derk.

[Keith Webb]

Seeing Manfred has brought the thread back to life again... somehow I missed this when it was originally posted.
I think the truck is a 1942 model as it has the early dash and the small steering box found on these models. Does it also have the smaller steering ends?
Possibly the glass was replaced at some time.
The air breather filter on the transfer case is a standard one.
The small splash shield behind the overflow tank is pretty common here in Australia as it was rarely removed, The one on the drivers side is less so because it easily shorts on the dip switch. The really rare one is the heavier plate with two large holes which bolts onto the chassis under the radiator.
Any progress since 2009? I also have some of the data plates you are missing.

Originally Posted by derk derin

I am glad the one windshield survived as it gave me the year of the truck.My only other possible clue would be a metal tag with the year soldered to the back of the radiator upper tank.I remember there being one on my 15 cwt when I changed engines.
My Ford MCP dump truck also had the date on the drivers side door glass,otherwise I wouldn't know the manufacture date for that vehicle either.
Interesting story on the glass company.Thanks for sharing it.
The filter on my transfere case was missing on my 15 cwt also.The large splash shield seemed to always come with my trucks but the small one behind the overflow tank I had never seen before I bought this CMP.They are easy to make if you had a way of stamping the long indent in them.
Derk.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by derk derin

I had asked this question awhile back and the MLU forum members identified it as a sun visor bracket.I have never found one on a CMP here in Canada and so far no other members here in Canada say they have found one either.They seem to be used in Australia as the members there have remains of them on their CMP's.

Interestingly, I was discussing this bracket a few days ago with a fellow Dutch CMP collector as my F15A has one, too. It was demobbed in the UK shortly after WW2. Originally painted Light Stone, so probably intended for hotter climates where sun visors were a useful option?

H.

[derk derin]

Hi Keith,
You have me wondering what year my truck was produced now that you point out so many items leading to an earlier production truck.You are right about the windshield possibly being changed as they are sure to break while in service and are so easy to slide out and slide a new one in from a parts truck so the date on the glass isn't very reliable and with the original data plates gone is next to impossible to find a true date of manufacture for my CMP other than what you have noticed about the truck's early parts to give it a rough date of manufacture.I do not know CMP's that well to know the different parts used during Ford's time periods of assembly.Thanks for the information as I have a blank set of 3 data plates for my truck I got off of Alan Growse and I have to make sure I have all of the proper information before I start to stamp it on the blank plates.So your knowledge of the parts lead you to believe it is a 1942 production CMP or is there something I should be looking at to give me a definite time line of manufacture.I couldn't find a tag on the radiator with a date on it so that is the only other part I can think of that would be dated.
I started stripping the truck down this spring and managed to take it completely apart so I could have the frame sanedblasted and start to reassemble it and then I went to the Military Vehicle Preservation Association's annual convention in Topeka,Kansas this year with Rob Love and went crazy buying parts for my 1943 Ford GPW jeep and wound up being sidetracked from the CMP to the jeep so it sits in the yard in a pile of parts until I reassemble the jeep.I hope to have the frame of the CMP sandblasted next summer so I can start putting the truck back together.I have almost all the pieces for a complete restoration except the hand crank guide on the bumper,a left gas tank and brackets,a horn button,side curtain bag,large shifter knob and a small blackout socket.
Thanks for your help and please let me know if you have any other information that will help me identify the date of manufacture of my CMP.
Regards,Derk.