M38a1Cdn2, M38A1Cdn3 and M151A2 CFR range - Page 3

Craig S. · #61 28-06-09, 04:49

Dparker -

Might as well add this to your Jeeps background. Was checking on another CFR and figured you may want this.
CFR# 1970-08624
Serial No. 99836
ECC (Equipment Classification Code) 121308 Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, 4x4, M38A1CDN3, Cable Laying
Acquired Date 01 Jan 1970
Original UIC (Unit Identification Code) 0124 CFB Toronto (now dormant)
VMO (Vehicle Movement Order) No. DP358797 08 Feb 1987
Disposal date 23 July 1987
Selling price $1403.00
Last holding notice 02 Feb 1988
Holding unit history says that it belonged to UIC 0106 CFB/ASU Valcartier from 01 Jan 1970 to 21 July 1983. Seems to be a discrepancy here for the 01 Jan 1970 date of original UIC and this Valcartier date?
Work Order history shows only 2 visits of the 8 Correctve visits listed.
The first record is complete as of 07 Feb 1977. Work was done by Sect Ent 5e Bn Svc. The holding unit is listed at this time as Sect Ent St-Hubert UIC 2208 which is now dormant. This holding unit info also seems to be questionable. I'm thinking the record keeping may have been a bit lax somewhere along the line? 1970 to 1987 and only 8 corrective visits can't be correct. Also, the Trade codes that performed the work are 101 and 302 for a time total of 20 hours labor. These trades no longer exist and may have been amalgamated to another trade or the responsibility given to another one all together. As for what these trades were I have no idea.
The second W.O. is listed complete as of 26 July 1983. Work on this was performed by ASU Toronto maint section. 2 hours labor for a Vehicle Tech. (411). The UIC 0124 for CFB Toronto is listed as the Jeeps owner at this time. The odometer reading upon completion was 12656 miles.
That is all the available info I could gather - not as much as I would like to give you, but hey, it's likely more than what you had. Good news is it's a confirmed Cable Layer!
I don't know about web based photos of this variant, but I do have a document from 23 Jan 1959 from the "Army Development Establishment" in Ottawa that has "Restricted" prominately displayed at the top and bottom. It is called Equipment Characteristics Sheet For Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, 4x4, M38A1CDN Cable Laying Kit. I am pretty certain the 50+ year old info is not going to mean, that should I post it here, a dark colored SUV will be in my driveway shortly after, but....I am still hesitant due to my profession.
I will scan the photo and kit layout Monday and await your pvt. msg. should you care to learn more. Cheers,

Craig

rob love · #62 28-06-09, 07:26

Here is a rear shot of the cable laying jeep from a modification instruction. I had the remnants of one of these many years back. They were not common n this neck of the woods.

Scott Bentley · #63 30-06-09, 01:38

Just a bit of info.

Rob L and I spoke about doing it a while back, but we need to look at pulling all of this info off of the DND Server now.

Reason being, new vehicles are starting to arrive now with the 06*** range of CFRs, nearing 07***. My understanding of that program is that once the CFR number is re-issued, it overwrites the old info on the Database.

I know its a huge task, but if we could break it up into ranges of numbers to share the load, it might be doable.

If someone already has all of this data, please advise.

Scotty

Craig S. · #64 30-06-09, 02:25

Here are some more scanned pictures for reference of the cable laying kit's mounted on the M-38CDN and M-38A1CDN, with the general stowage diagram for each.
That idea of saving the info on the DND database would be great, as I have been downloading (when time permits) all of the CFR's for different SMP type vehicles I had a personnel interest in. It is very time consuming to go to each CFR and then copy each piece of info for that single vehicle. I only began going to that length when someone had a request for something in particular. It is best when provided with a CFR as you can just type it in on the main screen and bring up that particular vehicle. It gets much longer when all you have is the serial number only, as then you look at each individual vehicle to match it to a CFR that way. So far I have had mostly success, but as Scotty said - newer vehicles, SMP or not, are cancelling out say for example, all the M-38's. Actually there is one M-38 still on the database and it was a VIP Jeep with all the chrome handrails and red carpet for parades.

Barry Churcher · #65 30-06-09, 04:03

Is there any info available on my 53 Jeep? The serial number is F200352 and the CFR is 5332626. That is according to a repair work order that was in the glove box. After the CFR it says B87 (EMC). Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Barry

Scott Bentley · #66 30-06-09, 15:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Churcher

Is there any info available on my 53 Jeep? The serial number is F200352 and the CFR is 5332626. That is according to a repair work order that was in the glove box. After the CFR it says B87 (EMC). Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Barry

Pulled up the number this morning.

Sadly, your CFR has been over written by a 1997 3/4 Ton Truck.

Scotty

rob love · #67 30-06-09, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by armybuck041

Just a bit of info.

Rob L and I spoke about doing it a while back, but we need to look at pulling all of this info off of the DND Server now.

Reason being, new vehicles are starting to arrive now with the 06*** range of CFRs, nearing 07***. My understanding of that program is that once the CFR number is re-issued, it overwrites the old info on the Database.

I know its a huge task, but if we could break it up into ranges of numbers to share the load, it might be doable.

If someone already has all of this data, please advise.

Scotty

Clive did a FOI request for the info off the database I was using and for $5 got a disk full of info which included the ferrets and the deuces. Perhaps a FOI request could be made for the database Craig is using, requesting the info for all SMPs recorded, or it could be limited to just the wheeled vehs and the ferrets. Craigs site has a lot better info than mine did.

Barry Churcher · #68 01-07-09, 02:29

Scotty, thanks for the effort. I would like to trouble you again later for info on my CDN3, as soon as I find the data plate.

Thanks again,
Barry

Scott Bentley · #69 01-07-09, 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Churcher

Scotty, thanks for the effort. I would like to trouble you again later for info on my CDN3, as soon as I find the data plate.

Thanks again,
Barry

No problem...

Craig S. · #70 01-07-09, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Churcher

Scotty, thanks for the effort. I would like to trouble you again later for info on my CDN3, as soon as I find the data plate.

Thanks again,
Barry

Can you get the Serial Number off the frame and put on here? That may be enough to get started...

jim fraser (RIP) · #71 14-07-09, 05:14

hi guys.a little while ago we were talking about mutts.just noticed tonight on kijiji ottawa antique section the 4 mutt bodies that were sold at auction a year and a half ago.plus the parts.he says one body is nos.regards jim fraser.

peter simundson · #72 14-07-09, 19:33

...is $15,000. !!!!!!! But he says he has dropped his previously asked price by $10,000. Yoicks.

Peter S.

Scott Bentley · #73 15-07-09, 04:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter simundson

...is $15,000. !!!!!!! But he says he has dropped his previously asked price by $10,000. Yoicks.

Peter S.

I tried to buy that Body Tub last summer. I drove nearly 600kms round trip to have a look at all of them after we loosely agreed on a deal for me to buy one Body, based on an add he put on G503 selling them as individual units. I ended up getting the $25,000 quote for "all of it, or nothing". Needless to say, I was a bit put off.

Its a good Body, some damage from rough handling with a Fork Lift, but not NOS. Most likely a Depot repaired MUTT, as its all primer under the Body and Frame. A NOS Body wouldn't have all the Mods done to it, as well as a Cam paint job. It also had a Data Plate on it.

Sadly, I have neither the money nor space for all of that stuff. Tragic to see it all rusting away in a field, while I welded my "two piece" back together.

Frankly, these days, I doubt anyone could afford to drop 5 figures on what really amounts to alot of spare parts. Seller would not budge on selling off even enough to build one with the good Tub. He was pretty clear to me face to face that he did not have all the parts needed to finish one.

I may seem a tad emotional about this. Truth is, I am.

I'm not trying to steer anyone away, in fact i'd love to see them saved. But it would be wrong of me to not advise my peers of the details as I know them.

Scott Bentley · #74 15-07-09, 04:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim fraser

hi guys.a little while ago we were talking about mutts.just noticed tonight on kijiji ottawa antique section the 4 mutt bodies that were sold at auction a year and a half ago.plus the parts.he says one body is nos.regards jim fraser.

I'd love to know what it all sold for at auction.

jim fraser (RIP) · #75 15-07-09, 05:28

hi guys.could i ever kick myself.i could have purchased all that mutt parts years ago.john that owned them was afreind of my fathers.told me numerous times to come down and buy them.for years he bought surplus militaria.towards the end he went a little different after his wife left him.i talked over the phone with him and he would have sold them reasonably.i know somebody in the ottawa area got one mutt from him.eric booth asked me numerous times to go and i just kept putting it off.cant believe what the guy is asking for them now.i dont think they went for big dollars at the sale.regards jim.

Barry Churcher · #76 17-07-09, 03:48

I finally found the data plate for my A1. I couldn't make out the number on the frame. The delivery date is....1-71..... and the serial number is.....99863.
Thanks
Barry

Scott Bentley · #77 17-07-09, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Churcher

I finally found the data plate for my A1. I couldn't make out the number on the frame. The delivery date is....1-71..... and the serial number is.....99863.
Thanks
Barry

Serial Number 99863:

CFR: 70-08853
ECC: 121301
Holding Unit: UIC 0124 CFB Toronto (no longer exists)
Date Aquired: 01 Jan 70
Disposed: 22 Oct 87

Sadly, I can't pull the Service History on it, as it no longer is listed in the more detailed database under that ECC.

Scotty

George McKenzie · #78 23-07-09, 06:06

My friend just bought a M38A1 1952. The brass plates are all there but the paint has been changed . Also the frenders are civilian ?? I just bought a M38 1952 that sat for 40 years just 10 miles north of me I just found out about it .It is 100% complete except the front bumper has had a electric winch put on it .Has all the army markings on it .Shows 2300 miles on it .I will post a picture of it . These two jeeps are CDN models .

mcafee · #79 01-11-09, 15:21

Hi Rob. Wondered what you could tell me about my '67 M38A1 CDN2, Serial # 97746

servicepub (RIP) · #80 01-11-09, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob love

Clive did a FOI request for the info off the database I was using and for $5 got a disk full of info which included the ferrets and the deuces. Perhaps a FOI request could be made for the database Craig is using, requesting the info for all SMPs recorded, or it could be limited to just the wheeled vehs and the ferrets. Craigs site has a lot better info than mine did.

Rob
If you can tell me the name of the database I will submit an ATIP request.

Cheers,

Clive

mcafee · #81 02-11-09, 20:35

After doing some digging online, I found the CFR # for my 67. Guess it is registered wrong, as it should be a 68, which would coincide with the delivery date of Mar. 68. CFR is 68-08479.

DAVIDR · #82 11-01-10, 19:12

Clive. Any chance you could find some information on my M38A1 CDN3 serial number 100307?

Thanks
David

servicepub (RIP) · #83 12-01-10, 03:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAVIDR

Any chance you could find some information on my M38A1 CDN3 serial number 100307?

Thanks
David

The CFR for this vehicle was 09093. With this information one of the serving members with access to DIN may be able to locate a service history for your vehicle.
Cheers,
Clive

jim fraser (RIP) · #84 12-01-10, 05:00

hi rob.i was wondering if you or any body else would know where any of the cable laying equipment could be found.i picked up a cdn3 the other day and that was what it was.regards jim.

Pete Z · #85 19-01-10, 19:04

I was going to wait until I actually got my M38 home, but the prior post about this info being lost from the DND server got me to thinking that I shouldn't delay.

What I've got coming is a 1967 M38A1 CDN2. From the current owner I've learned that the CFR# is 67-08251 and ECC# is 121201. Apparently this jeep's last post was with 2 MP Platoon CFB Petawawa (the siren and flasher switch markers are still in place). I'm grateful to have rec'd this much info, but if some more blanks could be filled in that would be great. I plan on doing a drivable retoration of this jeep and would like to re-create it in one of it's original roles. I know that three-colour camo with MP equipment is one option, and I suppose as-delivered semi-gloss green with white CFR & ECC markings is another. I would be very interested to know in what other capacities this truck served.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Scott Bentley · #86 19-01-10, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Z

I was going to wait until I actually got my M38 home, but the prior post about this info being lost from the DND server got me to thinking that I shouldn't delay.

What I've got coming is a 1967 M38A1 CDN2. From the current owner I've learned that the CFR# is 67-08251 and ECC# is 121201. Apparently this jeep's last post was with 2 MP Platoon CFB Petawawa

Sadly, I only have the "weak" EDR Viewer right now, but I can confirm:

CFR No 08251
CFR Year 1967
Serial No 7105-97518
Actual ECC 121201
Authorized ECC 121201
NSN
ERN 30103
Holding Unit 0107 (CFB/ASU Petawawa)
DA Unit 0107 (CFB/ASU Petawawa)
Date Acquired 01-Jan-67
Cost 0
Alloc Code MA
Comm Suite
Current VMO DP356295 - 28-Aug-86
HN Date 08-Dec-86
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 17-Nov-86

Scotty B

Pete Z · #87 20-01-10, 16:17

Thanks for that Scotty. Am I correct to assume that because you "only have the "weak" EDR Viewer right now" , there is possibly more info to be had on my M38 stored on the dnd server?

Scott Bentley · #88 22-01-10, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Z

Thanks for that Scotty. Am I correct to assume that because you "only have the "weak" EDR Viewer right now" , there is possibly more info to be had on my M38 stored on the dnd server?

Yes, there is another version of the viewer that drills down into maintenance records, Unit history, modifications etc. Much more detailed than the info above.

For some reason, I can no longer access it here in Gagetown due to some silly DND computer restrictions not allowing website "Plugins" to run. Ironic really, as its DND's own Database.

Scotty B

Pete Z · #89 22-01-10, 18:09

Thanks again. If you ever get a chance to access the more detailed unit info, that would be great. The more history I have on my M38, the better. If not, oh well - that's how the cookie crumbles. I sincerely appreciate your efforts to date.

Best Regards, Peter Z.

Brianr.905 · #90 13-02-10, 19:38

Hello: I have a 1968 M38A1 with a S/N 97411,the body is long gone and l have not found any evidence of a CFR number anywhere. My restoration is near complete now except for minor details. Is the service history and CFR number obtainable? Is it correct that the CFR # was not stamped into the frt driver side frame rail behind bumper on the Cdn 2 and Cdn 3 jeep, but was stamped on the 53 M38A1? Any help would be greatly appreciated by all.

Thanks
Brian R.