transporting carriers

[Douglas Greville]

Originally Posted by Rob Beale

weighs about 1 tonne, so figure less for the cut down hull, and any rust holes.

In NZ the towing vehicle must be heavier than the towed trailer plus load.
This means any load in the towing vehicle helps with traction and stability.

I too have experienced a jack knifed tandem trailer, fortunately at a slower speed. Key lesson for me was keeping the centre of gravity forward of the centre of the axles, (maybe over the front axle?)

Most light vehicles allow only 500kg as the total towed weight.
You probably need an SUV or big ute, (Falcon etc) to tow 2000kg or more.

best wishes
Rob

Rob

I don't want to start an argument, but I am very sure a carrier hull weighs a lot more than 1 tonne. I have towed an LP2 bare hull but with
all road wheels, on a car trailer and can remember it as feeling a lot heavier
than that. Car trailers are typically 750kg by themselves and with anything heavier than about 850kg exceed the rating of standard passenger car
towbars (1600kg) (Falcon/Commodore). Thus, unless the towing car has a Hayman Reese style heavy duty bar PLUS tow pack (auto trans cooler at a minimum) then something is likely to break.

A totally bare hull, with no warp axle, no warp bogies, no rear boggies,
no rear plate and no air scoop would have to be around 1/2 tonne to 3/4
tonne lighter. However, most hulls I have come across typically were
not that bare. More likely was a cut down hull but with most of the
undercarriage still on it and that is heavy stuff.

I once had a warp axle with bogies that had been cut out of a hull and the bloke I sold it to told me that it weighed 750kg when he took it over a weigh bridge on the way home. There was the minimum of armour still around such
that the person who cut it out had stayed in as tight as he could with the
Oxy torch when cutting the hull.

Regards
Doug

[martyn]

Not to stick my nose in but when i was building my carrier i was moving a stripped hull around on a landrover defender 110 with a ifor williams trailer with no problems was towing at 50mph, i would say the hull would be about 2 tonns if you think the tracks and running gear is about a tonn the engine gearbox and all the extras would be about 1/2 tonn ish and a complete carrier is about 3.5 tonns, iam think iam on the high side on my weights but would rather guess and take something bigger to tow it with, looking at that photo you have put up i would say you would be looking a around a tonn maybe just over?
maybe you should strip it and put some in a trailer and some in your truck if you have the space and time to do that?
good luck

[RichardT10829]

Personally i reckon the trick with this is to make the carrier itself a trailer ie some way of lifting the tracks from the road surface my thoughts would be towards a bolt on system using the bogeys and sprockets as mounting zones so if you can imagine a gantry with two wheels on each side of the hull with flat plates on and a bar, the bar goes into the bogey jacking point the flat plates slide under the hull, you would obviously need to secure it in place, then a towing triangle on the front......... the idea being once where you needed to get to you jack up the hull and pop the sides off, second pro would be the system would take up very little space when not in use.


Richie

ps please excuse the crude drawing its a first attempt using Paint and a 3 minute job at that har har har

[cletrac (RIP)]

Here's how I hauled mine home with no problems whatever! By the way, that blue thing on the trailer is the carrier.

[martyn]

here is a couple of photos one of a 10tonn truck with 2 wrecks on it and one of my landy with just the hull the problem is they are 3.5 tonns and a bumper pull tow bar over here is 3.5tonn max then you have the weight of the trailer kinda just over weight by about a tonn yes you can tow it but watch out for the blue lights in your mirror.......... did try loading it on my trailer to see what would happen thort might blow the wheels out she took the weight and towed around the yard but wouldnt want to go up or down a hill.

[Hendrik van Oorspronk]

Originally Posted by martyn

here is a couple of photos one of a 10tonn truck with 2 wrecks on it and one of my landy with just the hull the problem is they are 3.5 tonns and a bumper pull tow bar over here is 3.5tonn max then you have the weight of the trailer kinda just over weight by about a tonn yes you can tow it but watch out for the blue lights in your mirror.......... did try loading it on my trailer to see what would happen thort might blow the wheels out she took the weight and towed around the yard but wouldnt want to go up or down a hill.

Hello Martyn, try a RangeRover, this is how I transported the carrier last time, luckely didn't see the bleu lights.

Hendrik

[martyn]

Hi Hendrik
wow thats some trailer you have did we meet at arnhem a couple of years ago, I must say iam thinking of the mini artic route, thinking of converting my defender 110 to a 5th wheel pick up and changing the vehicle towing rates and making a nice step frame trailer maybe two sections of lorry chassie thats about the same width as a carrier track and strong a purpose built vehice and trailer?
Saw a iveco cab and chassie with a mini artic trailer with 5 cars on it when i was in holland last year that gave me the idea,
kinda like this photo i found on the net but my landy instead ? if a transit can tow sumthing a landy should lol.

[Jordan Baker]

Interesting concept with the drawings. A couple problems I could see would that the track and suspension drops a lot when no weight is on it. So you would really have to jack it up. Some cross pieces would also be needed and how would you secure them, bolts??

I think this is a neat idea that could work.