CFR Request Thread

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Did Canada use the M40A1 106mm Recoilless Rifle on the M151A2, I was under the impression that weapon was only mounted on the M38A1.

As far as M151A2 use in Petawawa goes, I know that 2 Field Ambulance used them and 2 Combat Engineer Regiment and 2 Military Police Platoon did not.

According to the EDR Viewer, the Canadian Airborne Regiment and 2 Field Ambulance were the only users in Petawawa.

This is all of the info relating to 1/4 Ton Vehicles on the EDR Viewer as of today
[EDIT]Sorry, this was also meant to read that requests for CFR Data is limited to the following 1/4Ton ECC's

ECC Codes and Quantities:

M151A2
121401 = Basic = 913
121405 = W/AKEE?? (Only a few of these existed and were all in Chilliwack) = 5
121408 = Cable Layer (Only 1 in the system was in Valcartier) = 1
121411 = TOW Missile Launcher = 9
121412 = TOW Missile Carrier = 2

M38A1CDN
121116 = Ceremonial = 5

M38A1CDN2
121201 = Basic = 616
121202 = W/Winch = 96
121203 = Ambulance = 7
121208 = Cable Layer = 4
121209 = Cable Layer W/Winch = 6
121210 = 106mm RR = 10

M38A1CDN3
121301 = Basic = 457
121302 = W/Winch = 19
121303 = Ambulance = 14
121308 = Cable Layer = 14
121310 = 106mm RR = 62
121315 = Ceremonial Vice Regal = 4

CJ-7
121526 = W/AKEE = 195

Iltis
121501 = Basic = 1995
121503 = Ambulance = 63
121508 = Cable Layer = 77
121511 = TOW Missile Launcher = 6
121512 = TOW Missile Carrier = 4
121519 = W/Tailgate = 296
121527 = MP Kit = 63
121901 = "VW" Iltis Basic (Trial??) = 4
121911 = "VW" Iltis Ambulance German = 1

[Mike Baker]

Scott:

Hilarious - I was about to come on here and ask you if you had a breakdown on which ECC's were which, and like magic here it is already!

I managed to get copies of some of the same printouts that you obtained, and they raised a couple of other questions that I am hoping you or someone else on the thread might know the answer to:

1) How accurate would a Holding Unit History be? The records indicate that my truck (67-07840) was initially held by UIC 0122, CFB Chilliwack. But the Holding Unit History indicates that it was held by 1732 (CFB Edmonton Det Wainwright) from 01-JAN-67 (the default acquisition date for all '67s) until 20-MAY-80. To add more confusion, the Work Order history details only indicate 5 work orders, with the pre-1980 ones being performed by UIC 2208, which was ADM (Engineering and Maintenance). That, I believe, was the predecessor of LETE. Post 1980 the maintenance was performed in Chilliwack. Did LETE or its predecessor have a facility in Wainwright? I seriously doubt the truck went back and forth to Ottawa. My thinking is that the truck started in Wainwright, spent time with "LETE" there and was then sent to Chilliwack in 1980. Does that sound plausible?

2) If the ADM(Engineering and Maintenance) precursor of LETE did have my truck in Wainwright, any idea what they might have been doing with it?

3) Three modifications are listed:

30010000CF003
30100000CF014
30103000CF004

Any idea what these were? I suspect one is the M151 air filter, and another is the windshield washers, but no idea about the third.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by Mike Baker

Scott:

Hilarious - I was about to come on here and ask you if you had a breakdown on which ECC's were which, and like magic here it is already!

I managed to get copies of some of the same printouts that you obtained, and they raised a couple of other questions that I am hoping you or someone else on the thread might know the answer to:

1) How accurate would a Holding Unit History be? The records indicate that my truck (67-07840) was initially held by UIC 0122, CFB Chilliwack. But the Holding Unit History indicates that it was held by 1732 (CFB Edmonton Det Wainwright) from 01-JAN-67 (the default acquisition date for all '67s) until 20-MAY-80. To add more confusion, the Work Order history details only indicate 5 work orders, with the pre-1980 ones being performed by UIC 2208, which was ADM (Engineering and Maintenance). That, I believe, was the predecessor of LETE. Post 1980 the maintenance was performed in Chilliwack. Did LETE or its predecessor have a facility in Wainwright? I seriously doubt the truck went back and forth to Ottawa. My thinking is that the truck started in Wainwright, spent time with "LETE" there and was then sent to Chilliwack in 1980. Does that sound plausible?

2) If the ADM(Engineering and Maintenance) precursor of LETE did have my truck in Wainwright, any idea what they might have been doing with it?

3) Three modifications are listed:

30010000CF003
30100000CF014
30103000CF004

Any idea what these were? I suspect one is the M151 air filter, and another is the windshield washers, but no idea about the third.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

The VMO Unit Data seems to be fairly accurate with the Jeeps, but in your case, there is about 7 years worth of info missing. Comparing work orders against the VMO data, looks like it went from Wainwright to Chilliwack in 1980.
Looking at the work orders prior to 1980, in the sub heading it says: Maint Coy ASU Wainwright. The Admin Engr/Maint bit seems to be the generic nominclature info for Base Maint, as nearly all have that heading, mine included. I think your Jeep was also part of the Base Tpt Veh Pool while it was in Wainwright as no lodger Unit was listed in the Maint logs. One repair was also performed in Calgary. The Powerpack was most likely changed in 84, as 16.5hrs of "Corrective" work was performed on it in that entry.

Rob Love may chime in as to what the actual Mods are, as I only know what the M151A2 Mods translate to.

Scotty

[Matthew Reid]

If some one has a chance could they look up the following.

It is for an Armstrong MT500 (well M50 actually) Motorcycle.

Not sure of the year.

The only tag I can find on the bike has the following info.

Engine number 193843
Frame number EC0059


Thanks in advance Matthew

[rob love]

"30010000CF003
30100000CF014
30103000CF004


Any idea what these were? I suspect one is the M151 air filter, and another is the windshield washers, but no idea about the third."

C30-010-000CF003 is a generic modification for SMPs. It could be the seatbelt installation, but I can't say for certain. The seatbelts or the windshield washers are possible. I may have the answers downstairs in one of the many milkcrates of CFTOs I have squirrelled away, but no promises.
C-30-100-000/CF014 is the modification to the lower generator bracket to prevent busting the ears off the alternator. It consisted of some sliding bushings (which would just sieze anyway).
C30-103-000/CF004 should be a mod for the Cdn3. I am afraid I do not have anything on this one in my main book.

There was no mod to go to a M151 air filter. That pattern of filter assy was standard from the factory on both the Cdn2 and Cdn3 series of M38A1s.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by rob love

C30-010-000CF003 is a generic modification for SMPs. It could be the seatbelt installation, but I can't say for certain. The seatbelts or the windshield washers are possible. I may have the answers downstairs in one of the many milkcrates of CFTOs I have squirrelled away, but no promises.
C-30-100-000/CF014 is the modification to the lower generator bracket to prevent busting the ears off the alternator. It consisted of some sliding bushings (which would just sieze anyway).
C30-103-000/CF004 should be a mod for the Cdn3. I am afraid I do not have anything on this one in my main book.

There was no mod to go to a M151 air filter. That pattern of filter assy was standard from the factory on both the Cdn2 and Cdn3 series of M38A1s.

By coincidence, I was going through some piles of paper downstairs, and voila, there was the index of the C30-010-000/CF mods. These were mods that were applicable to more than one vehicle fleet, so the m od would get the 30-010 number rather than a fleet specific application code (ie 30102=M38A1Cdn2, 30200=5/4 ton). Anyway, here are a couple of the modification instructions which we see on some of these searches.

C30-010-000/CF003: Modification of distributor caps and covers for use with autosense computerised diagnostic equipment

C30-010-000/CF009: Installation for std commercial turn signals-truck 1/4 ton Cdn2, cdn2, 2-1/2 ton, 5 ton M39 series

C30-010-000/cf-013: Installation of lap safety belts, 1/4 ton, 2-1/2 ton, 5 ton and M809 series.

There were other mods running up to CF015 listed on the index, but most of them will not concern this thread.

Man, the scraps of paper I have kept, it's a miracle my house has not burned down.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by rob love

C30-010-000CF003 is a generic modification for SMPs. It could be the seatbelt installation, but I can't say for certain. The seatbelts or the windshield washers are possible. I may have the answers downstairs in one of the many milkcrates of CFTOs I have squirrelled away, but no promises.

Rob, it's actually for the old US style "Decon Bottles" with the note for "CFE Units only", which is not surprising really. Even the "new" Bottles rarely got past the RQ Shop. Find them rolling around in LSVW Tool Bins from time to time, most likely tossed in prior to an ATI or something. I keep hearing guys talking about using them for applying Undercoating or Weed Killer

[brunno1968]

Hi,
I just bought an other iltis and i am looking for his history.

The cfr number is 87951.

I have an M101cdn2 with serial 1001, mfr 36221, stk number 2330-21-904-9885 and ecc 131201 if someone could find some info about it.

Really appreciate your help and read your post.

Thank you, Bruno

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by matthewq4b

If some one has a chance could they look up the following.

It is for an Armstrong MT500 (well M50 actually) Motorcycle.

Not sure of the year.

The only tag I can find on the bike has the following info.

Engine number 193843
Frame number EC0059


Thanks in advance Matthew

CFR Information
CFR No 78552
CFR Year 1986
Serial No MTEC0059
Actual ECC 120104
Authorized ECC 120104
NSN
ERN 30905
Holding Unit 0109
DA Unit 0109
Date Acquired 28-Jul-86
Cost 0
Alloc Code MB
Comm Suite
Current VMO DP355942 - 13-Sep-94
HN Date 06-Oct-94
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 06-Oct-94


Holding Unit History

As of 14-SEP-10

CFR No Departure Arrival HUIC Unit
78552* 17-May-93 14-Sep-92 0122* CFB CHILLIWACK
78552* 14-Sep-92 17-Jun-87 1776* 1 CER
78552* 17-Jun-87 08-Apr-87 0122* CFB CHILLIWACK
78552* 08-Apr-87 07-Apr-87 1776* 1 CER
78552* 07-Apr-87 28-Jul-86 0122* CFB CHILLIWACK

Work Order Details

As of 14-SEP-10

CFR Number : 78552

Format Work Order Number SS Date Completed CIN HUIC Usage Qty Parts ($) Rebuild
6 L78552 22-Mar-91 223* 1776* 5698 1 0 NO
6 L78552 24-Oct-90 223* 1776* 5698 1 27 NO
6 L78552 12-Feb-90 223* 1776* 4161 1 0 NO
6 L78552 30-Aug-88 223* 1776* 1758 1 25 NO
6 LZ8552 11-May-87 223* 1776* 437 1 0 NO

Looks like you've got a Sapper's Bike. It also showed 5700kms at the last Maint entry in 1991.

[302Trooper]

Scotty,

I was lucky enough to find another M38A1. This time it is a CDN 2. The only sticker on the dash besides the Data plate is a 6. The vehicle manufactuer number is 7105 97670 C
Any chance you can pull up some info on this jeep with this limited info. It was owned by a former service member. I picked it up off a guy who was going to Bubba it up. It is complete with manuals, canvas and all the lights. Of course it is hurting when it comes to rust.

Thanks
Dave
302Trooper

[rob love]

Originally Posted by 302Trooper

Scotty,

I was lucky enough to find another M38A1. This time it is a CDN 2. The only sticker on the dash besides the Data plate is a 6. The vehicle manufactuer number is 7105 97670 C
Any chance you can pull up some info on this jeep with this limited info. It was owned by a former service member. I picked it up off a guy who was going to Bubba it up. It is complete with manuals, canvas and all the lights. Of course it is hurting when it comes to rust.

Thanks
Dave
302Trooper

CFR is 68-08403