Loyd Carrier - Page 2

paul visser · #31 02-09-10, 13:17

After a few monts of other thing's to do i have started on the Loyd again. i have re-painted the chassis in a better paint and collour (was not happy with the first one).
The engine is almost done (got a 24 stud from a carrier an re-build it).
So now it's geting there.

And also trying to help Alastair with his Loyd for all the information he need's.

ajmac · #32 03-09-10, 12:10

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Originally Posted by paul visser

And also trying to help Alastair with his Loyd for all the information he need's.

And lots of thanks you deserve too Paul!

Intrestingly... your loyd is quite different to mine in terms of the hand brake arrangement, mine is a fabricated arm which is not cranked like yours. I don't have the steel tube spanning the chassis and my gear stick is held in place by steels straps like the fuel tanks....all these companies building them differently, I don't know

When I've finished mine we can both do W&P, showing an early and late war version.

ajmac · #33 03-09-10, 12:21

Note differances:

The Bedford Boys · #34 04-09-10, 02:14

I would imagine those differences to be because of the seating arrangement in the two carriers. The Anti-Tank tractor had a single seat, while other loyds had the bench seat.

ajmac · #35 04-09-10, 08:42

I was under the impression that the TPC and TS&C had bench seats while all TTs had three seats up front. The parts books and manuals can be a bit vague. The manual shows a photo of an early vehicle which has the same gear stick bracket as mine yet the hand brake lever as shown in Pauls photos. Perhaps the early TTs (like Pauls) were unique? My TT has the design shown in the books.

The Bedford Boys · #36 05-09-10, 01:12

Whoops, forgot your carrier was a TT!! Another question, do both the carriers have their original handbrakes fitted?

paul visser · #37 06-09-10, 08:22

Yes, my hand brake is still original.

paul visser · #38 06-09-10, 15:42

Almost got the engine ready. Made in Canada.

RichardT10829 · #39 06-09-10, 16:30

Paul. beautifull job this is what i love to see when it comes to engnes

DTI guage is a must for any thorough engine builder... hope mine looks as good as yours, did you replace the head studs or were the threads still ok on your originals.

well done looks awesome ! looks to be the same block as mine except mine does not have the lip on the block where the inlet mannifold sits. same prizm and triangles on the block face same 24 studs too. wonder if my block has been machined

Richie

Philliphastings · #40 07-09-10, 06:42

Brilliant work !

Cheers

Phill

paul visser · #41 07-09-10, 08:43

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Originally Posted by RichardT10829

Paul. beautifull job this is what i love to see when it comes to engnes

DTI guage is a must for any thorough engine builder... hope mine looks as good as yours, did you replace the head studs or were the threads still ok on your originals.

well done looks awesome ! looks to be the same block as mine except mine does not have the lip on the block where the inlet mannifold sits. same prizm and triangles on the block face same 24 studs too. wonder if my block has been machined

Richie

The engine came from a carrier and was restored in the early '50 by a company in holland. they stored all the engines for years. Got this one from a frind ho knows the owner's son. It's a canadian build engine but it came with the wrong camshaft (early 50' for a side mount disributor) so i had to take the engine a part again. that was a good thing becouse the valves were bad as well after all these years. Now it's in good condition and ready to go to the show.
I did not replace the head studs exept for one, they were all good.

Paul

RichardT10829 · #42 07-09-10, 15:29

yes i will have to carefully check mine to make sure the threads have not pulled. fantastic job though...I take it that engine is the 221 unit? 85hp

Richie

Lynn Eades · #43 07-09-10, 21:34

24 stud, could be either,221 or 239 .....Paul, What are those liners made of?

paul visser · #44 09-09-10, 08:53

Don't realy know what they are made of. But it's done in the '50 (they are not thik) looks like a cilinder sleeve.

Does any one know if there are diverend flywheels for the V8 flathead '32 up to '48. My '37 flywheel does not fit in the bellhousing of the block.

ajmac · #45 09-09-10, 09:49

Paul,
There were a number of change points in US V8 production as far as I know.

Original.
1937: Midterm Update. Block changes to all shell bearings, water pumps move to block from heads?
1939: Modernisation. 24 Stud block introduced with larger main bearings, Ford and Mercury split production with Mercury using a larger bore to get 3.9L rather than 3.6L.. Mercs are also more robust with redesigned internals.
1942: War Production. Power goes up from 85 to 90 BHP on Ford and 95 to 100 BHP on the Merc. The modern Distributor begins to be used, with a seperate coil and the resin cap with nine connectors sticking out - Crab Type. (That is what is going on mine)
1946: Harmonisation. Ford version dropped, only Merc 3.9L manufactured. Has redesigned distributer cap with HT leads bunched together on each side.
1949: Redesign. New distributer, new water jacket design, short bell housing, new HP Oil pump, bearings redesigned, valves and guides improved....basically THE BEST flathead, but no good for a carrier as it looks wrong!

I've no idea what Dagenham did, there was a 60BHP unit, is there a book covering British Flathead production details? I get the impression that England only produced the 3.6L and never manufactured the Merc.... we were still making the 3.6L in the early 50s for the V8 Pilot.

Loyd Engines.
I get a bit confused when it comes to loyds....
The No2 has a US manufactured Flathead which could be Ford @ 85BHP or Merc @ 95BHP, the Loyd workshop manual states that the No2 version has a 'American manufactured 95BHP engine' which would suggest that it was the Merc, but other sources state that all engines were 80 or 85BHP no matter where they were manufactured. That is why I was interested in colours as Mercs were painted Dark Blue and Fords Dark Green.

paul visser · #46 30-11-10, 11:37

YES, the engine is in the chassis. With a lot of other things to do we got the engine back on his bolts, ready to run.

RichardT10829 · #47 30-11-10, 17:16

excelent work paul i would bag up the engine until the end of the build...keep it nice.

where did you get the HT leads from ? they are awesome.

ajmac · #48 01-12-10, 10:23

All looking good Paul. The first of my restored Loyd parts are getting there Olive Drab top coat this month (Paint being brought up to Lincoln by my Dad this weekend). Original 7V chassis is organised to enable repair of my original 1943 Loyd one. Should have a semi-rolling* chassis by the Summer.

*Still looking for Bogie parts, can anyone help?

PS. Keep the photos coming!

paul visser · #49 02-12-10, 16:38

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Originally Posted by RichardT10829

excelent work paul i would bag up the engine until the end of the build...keep it nice.

where did you get the HT leads from ? they are awesome.

Hi Richard,
Got the HT leads from Mac autoparts USA. Just to make it look good.

Even got "Made in Canada" spark plugs. yeh i'm a real show-off to pimp my ride

George McKenzie · #50 03-12-10, 05:11

I saw a carrier last summer ,after looking at pictures of the Loyd it must have been a Loyd . The serial number was stamped on the right side of the rad housing .I wrote it down but lost it .The old fellow that had it said he drove it in the war . and brought it back with him at the end .I'll have to take another look and some pictures . One thing was it had a Loyd steering system .I will find out where the carrier was in the war .My budy has increased his horse power in his carrier and says it 's alot easier to drive I got My RCAF Fordson painted ,blue bird blue and it goes like a bird , over 30 mph .Will post some picture soon .

ajmac · #51 03-12-10, 11:13

Photos Please! Us Loyd restorers need all the help we can get

paul visser · #52 03-01-11, 11:55

hello folks,

All the best for 2011.

The work on the Loyd is still going well. Got started on the tin work and making lot's of drawings to copy the tin body.

All the bogie's are done and ready to be mounted again.

Hope to have it done in may 2011 and take it to Beltring (the war and peace show) in july.

Paul

Marc van Aalderen · #53 03-01-11, 21:34

All the best for 2011 to you too.

The Loyd looks great. Excellent job. Hope to see it in Beltring.

Your tin work is really rusty! Is there anything left to re-use at all?

Cheers,

ajmac · #54 04-01-11, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Marc van Aalderen

Your tin work is really rusty! Is there anything left to re-use at all?

Rusty? At least it is still in existance

Better than my Loyd.
Can I covet another mans steel work? Oh, to have those hull brackets, the track guard rails, the engine cover frame....in fact everything above the chassis rails!

Fine work Paul, every last bit of it, some of the very few Loyds that are still in existance look a bit 'thrown together', yours most certainly doesn't.

paul visser · #55 04-01-11, 16:49

Don't worry Alastair i'll make all the drawings you need.

re-building the tin work is the only good option. it's too bad to use again.

RichardT10829 · #56 04-01-11, 17:20

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Originally Posted by ajmac

some of the very few Loyds that are still in existance look a bit 'thrown together',

MEEEEEOW saucer of milk for one hehehehehe.

Paul your progress looks great and i cant wait to see her complete, keep up the good work buddy.

ajmac · #57 04-01-11, 22:09

Didn't mean to offended anyone, there is only mine under restoration in the UK at the moment as far as I know and Paul is the only individual restoring one in Europe. The one at dux is apparently restored..ish, dirks is a minter, ex-BG is now in holland and looking tired, there is a rough one in France which Paul showed me photos of and the Belgian museum example is nice but not mint. Two more are under restoration in France by a museum near strasburg? I've seen photos of another in Europe, but it looked very odd in the upper hull.

RichardT10829 · #58 04-01-11, 22:11

you need to save them all buddy...go now do it !

shaun · #59 04-01-11, 23:35

If they are that rare i had better go and finish digging the rest of the Loyd out of the scrap pile i have paid for, the land owner said they had broken a few up on that piece of land just after the war. just need to find a truck chassis as well. Just wish this weather would warm up a bit.

RichardT10829 · #60 04-01-11, 23:38

two words Metal Detector if i bring a wee spade can i keep what i find hehehehe