Armor CAD Drawings - Page 2

RichardT10829 · #31 14-08-09, 19:10

Eric, you being from Thunder Bay do you know Don Barrie ? he is a collector of carriers and a great chap, he was kind enough to sort me out with my carrier

(sorry to go off on a tangent guys)

RichardT10829 · #32 31-08-09, 22:26

Rick i fitted the templates on the sides and they appear spot on i took some pics however my pc is dead so i have had to resort to using my mobile phone to access the web ! I have a query on the gunners side where the armour drops (where it meets the front cockpit) it lines up spot on with the center bulkhead plate can you check this on your carriers ?

RichardT10829 · #33 03-09-09, 12:36

Replied to your email Rick, thanks for getting back to me. It appears that the patterns are spot on, if you send me the others i will cut them out as per the sides and get them fitted. if you manage to get the center bulkhead measured i would be interested in this too as this is the major bit i need. i am going to salvage my glacis plate.

cheers

Richie

Rick DeBruyn · #34 04-09-09, 07:35

The side armor stops flush with driver side of plate #; CTL 13284 (Plate - division – corner) as you can see in the photos. I’ve included my updated side armor drawings as well. I believe the drawings to be fairly accurate however I leave them open to the forums critique. I’m working on the bulkhead drawings I will provide them when complete.

I’ve been provided with the cost of side armor cutting, the quote is $105.00 CND funds per side. Steel will be an extra cost. Does the amount sound reasonable (this will include rivet holes)? How does this compare with other suppliers?

RichardT10829 · #35 04-09-09, 12:08

Rick you listed the armour thickness as 10mm can you tripple check this as my carrier remnants are thinner stuff. the front armour is 10mm though.

just measured the bits with a Micrometer and:-

Glacis plate is 5mm

Front armour is 10mm

center bulkhead (main section) is 5mm

Side and rear armour is 7mm

this is on a 1942 canadian Mk1 that i have.

Lynn Eades · #36 04-09-09, 12:19

The thickness of the armour varies. I have front armour from a Canadian Mk1, and front armour from a British mk1. Both are different. The mcDell boys had some plates cut out with a veiw to using the original steering box fabrication. It didnt work and they had to go for the thinner plate. (same as original)
I think I have reported this correctly. If your following this Greg or Chris, come in and explain.

RichardT10829 · #37 20-09-09, 16:57

Rick, how did you get on, is there anything else you need from me ?

RichardT10829 · #38 02-10-09, 15:41

i have DXF'd the side armour and the center bulkhead plate (i am awaiting final details from Rick to see if any measurements need corrected on the center plate) once done i can get them onto discs etc for folk, just need the front armour, rear armour, and tool plate then that should be the lot !

Rich

JTH · #39 02-10-09, 19:08

Count me in for a copy!

thanks

jeff

JTH · #40 19-12-09, 05:54

Any news on the CAD patterns?

RichardT10829 · #41 20-12-09, 18:54

side amour and rear armour completed, i have drawn patterns for front armour, Rick is has done the center bulkhead which needs tweaking slightly, so we are getting there slowly but surely.

JTH · #42 22-12-09, 00:14

Thanks Richard!

Slowly but surely describes my carrier project as well (I have been sidetracked by an M-152 radio van that was looking for a home)!

Jeff

Rick DeBruyn · #43 15-09-10, 08:45

Finally…we’re starting the laser cutting of a few plates, and covers for the carriers! All the measurements were taken off a Mk 1 carrier…perhaps anyone who might know what parts are interchangeable with a Mk2 could comment.

The laser cutter company is ready to cut both sides (CTL 12774 D Plate - protection - L.H. & CTL 12775 D Plate - protection - R.H.) and is waiting for quantity. The cost per side is 220.00 CND funds for pick up in Edmonton or Three Hills Alberta, Canada. The plates will be cut to dimension and have rivet holes cut out. If you’re interested you can PM me or email to stuff4rick@gmail.com.

I have provided the below original parts to the laser cutting company, they are confirming measurements will then format part drawings and I expect quotes shortly, so assess your needs and I will provide costs as they come in.

ENGINE VENTILATOR
CTL 7252 Plate - engine ventilator deflector
CTL 12770 L Plate - engine ventilator - rear L.H.
CTL 12771 L Plate - engine ventilator - top L.H.
TL 12772 L Plate - engine ventilator - side - upper - L.H.
CTL 13084 L Plate - engine ventilator - side - lower - L.H.
CTL 12770 R Plate - engine ventilator - rear R.H.
CTL 12771 R Plate - engine ventilator - top R.R.
TL 12772 R Plate - engine ventilator - side upper R.H.
CTL 13084 R Plate - engine ventilator - side - lower R.H.

FAN COWL
CTL 13359 Plate - cowl fan
CTL 13360 Plate - cowl fan
CTL 7180 Plate - cowl fan
CTL 7181 Plate - cowl fan

ENGINE COVER
CTL 12778 D Plate - engine cover - top rear
CTL 541 SA Plate assembly - engine cover protection - R.H.

FRONT ARMOR
CTL 12859 Plate - gunner protection - L.H.
CTL 7461 Plate - steering box protection - right outer
CTL 3885 D Plate - protection steering box - right inner
CTL 12780 D Plate - gunner protection - R.H.
CTL 3888 D Plate - gunner protection - left upper

OTHER
CTL 12779 D Plate - protection rear
TL 12976 Plate - axle cover – top
CTL 12997 Plate - division

Lynn Eades · #44 15-09-10, 09:02

Is there anyone who will send me the cad drawings, as freight costs for the finished product to here would be horrendous. I need to do all the front armour. Thanks.

RichardT10829 · #45 15-09-10, 10:15

i have center bulkhead and sides CAD'd i am still trying to do the front plates... Lynn i can email you the DXF's and can post you copies of 1:1 drawings of the front armour if this is of any help to you ?

Lynn Eades · #46 15-09-10, 10:26

Sounds good to me. Whats next?

RichardT10829 · #47 15-09-10, 10:44

Email adress matey. If you email Rick he may give you the front DXF's alternate i will get another card tube and start plotting......takes me ages to draft them out though..i need to do a set for one of the lads here to CAD up. Mind folks looking at Ricks prices if you are on the same peice of rock / country as him that is a pretty good price

also Rick i would not cut the lower edge holes... most folk still have these frame rails on their carriers, cut the others but not the bottom edge...its better to offer the plate up and drill them, that way any discrepancies between machines wont throw the holes out of kilter......so to speak.

great work though buddy well done

Lynn Eades · #48 15-09-10, 10:49

Put your cursor on my name, and left click.

RichardT10829 · #49 15-09-10, 11:10

alright...smart arse hehehehehe.....you got mail mate

Rick DeBruyn · #50 16-09-10, 01:07

Lynn / Richard,

I don’t have access to the DXF files, at some point drawings could be made available…will post here if that can happen.

On the bottom rivet holes; the plate dimensions and hole placement was taken from both a Mk1 side plate and from a carrier with the plate removed but the angle iron / holes still in place…so I don’t see why the bottom holes wouldn’t be accurate as well as preferred. They should line up with your original angle iron or will be an accurate template if angle iron is missing.

Rick

George McKenzie · #51 18-09-10, 05:30

Just a thought .Maybe the one's that don't want the holes in the bottom could ask for them to be made that way . I put these original plates up beside my MK1 and MK2 carriers and they lined up pretty good . If you want Mk2 plates the inside corner is square and other than some different holes for mounting things on different modles I could see no difference in Mk1 & MK2 .Put me down for two left and two right side plates Rick George

Hans Mulder · #52 30-03-11, 23:45

I need a complete set of armour for my carrier, front, sides, rear, and engine cover. Rick, can your supplier make all of this now? And what is the ballpark costs for steel and cutting?

Thanks to the members who have offered to send drawings. As my funds are limited (my wife has stipulated that renovations are priority) I will likely have a friend produce one piece at a time locally, unless it works out better cost wise to make the drive to Alberta for a complete set.

Rick DeBruyn · #53 04-04-11, 03:02

Hi Hans, Welcome to the fun! There are about 5 active carrier projects in Alberta that are cooperating on some reproduction parts. I’m sure we can be helpful on supplying some items. I have sent you a PM give me a call when you have a chance. Best, Rick

Dave Schindel · #54 04-04-11, 05:49

Rick,I'm also in need of all the armor for my MKII. The top half of the bulkhead divider is gone as well.Please keep me informed as to your progress.If there are enough maybe it will help with the price,although steel has gone up lately.
Dave

Jon Bradshaw · #55 04-05-13, 06:18

I have moved to Edmonton now and am in need of some armor for a MKII.

Wondering if there is still a way to get some, seeing that the thread is older?

I sent a PM. Anyone else out there know how the first run went and if it is still available?

Jonathan

Paul Schipper · #56 09-05-13, 01:26

I see that this is all old news but if possible I need a full set of upper everything.... please advise...

jeff davis · #57 15-05-13, 02:26

I used the Drawings for the Side Armour and it fit perfect on the Carrier
Jeff

Hans Mulder · #58 15-05-13, 18:45

Does anyone have the measurements/dimensions for all the pieces of the front armour?

Hans Mulder · #59 03-09-13, 20:32

Now I'm just looking for drawings/dimensions for the vision slot covers and the steering gear covers. Anyone able to help me out?

jeff davis · #60 04-09-13, 04:05

Are you looking for the vision shutter dimensions if so I can send you a drawing via snail mail
Jeff