C60X Machinery bodies..Manuals of equipment? surviving "complete" examples?

Alex van de Wetering · #1 30-09-10, 23:10

Colin,

Great stuff and thanks for posting these! This is indeed the kind of info I am looking for, but you can never have enough...or I am just getting spoiled

Indeed it seems that the rear-side picture you posted and the one in Bill Gregg's book are one and the same. This basically confirms that the one in Gregg's book is indeed a Machinery Type C and not an L as described in the book. This also means that the top view drawing, the description that Noel posted and the interior pictures are from one and the same type...which forces me to think about building a Type C! Funny though that most of the restored examples nowadays seem to be of the type without generator doors...with twin side benches and double rear doors.

Is it possible for you to send me some larger scans/bigger pics through email?

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3kw, 110 volt DC, Outboard Marine or Lryland generator driven by Briggs & Stratton engine

This sounds like a Chore Horse(?)

Alex

Grant Bowker · #2 01-10-10, 00:41

The chorehorse output was 300W, only 1/10 that given above, as well the later (postwar?) chorehoses were 24V system (and I think the earlier ones were 12V but am not sure). I don't know what Briggs & Stratton engine would have been used for a 3KW output, maybe a nominal 8 horsepower after allowing for losses in generation. I got your PM but have not yet put together an answer.

servicepub (RIP) · #3 01-10-10, 01:53

Alex,

I have these for the Mach "A", as well as for other models.
http://www.sendpix.com/albums/100930...df50764bb9f5a/

Alex Blair (RIP) · #4 01-10-10, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Colin,

Great stuff and thanks for posting these! This is indeed the kind of info I am looking for, but you can never have enough...or I am just getting spoiled

Indeed it seems that the rear-side picture you posted and the one in Bill Gregg's book are one and the same. This basically confirms that the one in Gregg's book is indeed a Machinery Type C and not an L as described in the book. This also means that the top view drawing, the description that Noel posted and the interior pictures are from one and the same type...which forces me to think about building a Type C! Funny though that most of the restored examples nowadays seem to be of the type without generator doors...with twin side benches and double rear doors.

Is it possible for you to send me some larger scans/bigger pics through email?

This sounds like a Chore Horse(?)

Alex

Alex
Why don't you order the correct manual from Grant Bowker..He has all the originals and makes beautiful copies..

Take your pick..

#2A 200+ Pages MACH-E 25-1 Parts and Instruction Manual for Machinery Lorry Equiptment RE 25 KW" Lorry(Used with 975A Diamond "T" 201" WB Chassis).Used in the heavy repair of engineering equipment in the field.

Well illustrated ,including equipment layouts,wiring diagrams,distribution panels,etc. Oct 1943

#2B 400+ Pages MACH-F-1 Parts and Instruction Manual for Machinery Lorry Equiptment Type F Lorry(Used with GM 6X6 C-60X) Well illustrated ,including equipment layouts,wiring diagrams,distribution panels,etc.(Includes Willys MB generator set used with this style body).Used as a field repair shop for vehicles. August 1943

#2C 150 Pages MACH-H Parts and Instruction Manual for Machinery Lorry Equiptment type "H" lorry(Used with 975A Diamond "T" 201" WB Chassis). Used in the field for heavy lathe and screw turning.. Well illustrated ,including equipment layouts,wiring diagrams,distribution panels,etc. July 1943

The #2B 400+ Pages MACH-F-1 ,would be the correct manual for the C-60 X..
Alex

Alex van de Wetering · #5 01-10-10, 13:40

@ Alex
Don't tell me you know all these manuals by heart

No, I did send the new Mr. Manual a PM which Grant also mentioned in his post.

@ Clive
Woowee...excellent! If this is the sort of pictures we will find in your upcoming CMP book(series) ....
PM on the way.

@ Grant
Hmm, you are right. I guess I was pretty tired last night.....I mean that separate cabinet in the right rear of the Machinery Type C is much to big for just a Chorse Horse. Ah well....I guess it was just wishfull thinking as measuring up a Chorse Horse would only require a walk to my garage.

Alex

Alex van de Wetering · #6 26-10-10, 15:33

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your replies and info both on the forum and through PM. The new info has triggered me to continue on the model and I am happy I made some progress again over the past few weeks after a long period of silence.

Combining info from different sources has enabled me to answer a lot of the questions I had and get a more detailed view of the details in the Lindsey machinery bodies. But, some questions still remain.....

I am still on the lookout for some good quality pictures/scans of the Type C Machinery body pictures Colin shows in this thread. Anybody able to make some HQ scans from the "Design Record, Canadian-Developed Military Vehicles World War II"???

Something else has also been keeping me busy.....the three C60X Machinery trucks I have inspected here in Holland and the one in Belgium (and the one in Norway as well if I remember correctly) all seems to be of the same body style.....twin rear doors, twin side benches and no other doors or hatches in de sides or rear of the body. However the panels above the side benches seem to be of the non-opening kind in all of them. The question is.....what type are these? They seem closest to a type D, but Gregg's list doesn't mention that these didn't have opening panels above the side benches (like with the Type A and C pictured in this thread), also Clive sent me some pictures of the Type D interior and that does seem to show a locking mechanism for the panels.....so, this means at least the Type D in those pictures has opening panels.(?)

So, maybe there is a difference between early and late vehicles?
All the restored vehicles were modified post war?
The restored trucks had a different role from origin....Stores? Chemical Warfare?

Alex

Bob Carriere · #7 26-10-10, 17:22

.... the best worshop I have seen is with Andre Gibeau..... who is not on the web...... his is fully equipped...... alll electrical cables on wall racks.....rifles in holders..... lathe and all....... almost scary to walk up inside..... like stepping back in time...... and it is dark air force blue.... It's an absolute beauty.

..... it may eventually wind up at the CWM where it will no doubt be displayed stacked up and crowded between other trucks and all doors closed....!!!!!

Bob

Alex van de Wetering · #8 26-10-10, 17:32

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the best worshop I have seen

Bob, sounds like Andre's truck made a real impression....worshipping the workshop

Any idea what type Andre's truck is? Any pictures wandering around on the web? I'd love to hear/see more of this specific truck. Andre's truck may well be the only one in the world with the original equipment....most are "empty" nowadays or fitted with post-war equipment.

Alex

Bob Carriere · #9 27-10-10, 01:52

Hi Alex.

Andre is known for the quality and attention to details at almost any cost. Apparently when he got the truck it was far from complete and he sourced the lathe from the USA.....for a full pristine restoration.

Andre has done and donated/sold a number of vehicle to the war museum including one of the elusive Adolph's armored Mercedez now residing at the CWM.

I did take some pictures when we visited his place...... truck was inside a large garage and rather dark..... I will see what I can dig up form the 'puter.
In fact I need to check as to whether it was a C60 with 6 wheels or a full
C60X with 6 wheel drive.

Andre is an avid collector/restorer..... usually attends MLU flea markets and always has nice items for sale at good prices..... and is always willing to help fellow members. Unfortunately, he lives in a rural area of Quebec near the NY border and high speed internet has not and is not about to be installed in his area.

Stay tuned.

Bob