My Ferret needs help

colin jones · #1 29-01-11, 03:55

Hi all, I have a few problems with fuel on my ferret. I'm not sure if the pump was working so I put an electric pump on. So I have a few questions.
1. Is it better to fix the original and how the hell do you get to it?
2. If the pump is faulty, where do I get replacement parts?
3. Would an electric pump deliver too much fuel?
4. It bellows black smoke so thats a fuel problem?
5. It runs like a bag of poo?
6. Do you put a drop of oil in the genny to make it work?
7. Where can I get a new set of plugs from?
8. Is it worth dropping the engine out for a good clean and inspection.

Thanks
Colin.

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #2 29-01-11, 04:29

I have a few flippant answers:

1. Is it better to fix the original and how the hell do you get to it?

It's a Ferret, you can't get to it, however pulling the engine is the correct way to start most repairs.

2. If the pump is faulty, where do I get replacement parts?

Not any place accessible.

3. Would an electric pump deliver too much fuel?

No, punch holes in it until the correct pressure is obtained.

4. It bellows black smoke so thats a fuel problem?

Either that or a Ferret problem.

5. It runs like a bag of poo?

It's British AND a Ferret. Of course it runs like a bag of poo.

6. Do you put a drop of oil in the genny to make it work?

Can't hurt to try. But prayer has been shown to be more effective.

7. Where can I get a new set of plugs from?

Another Ferret.

8. Is it worth dropping the engine out for a good clean and inspection.

It's worth pulling the engine out to change a fan belt.

Thanks
Colin.

You're welcome
Bruce

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colin jones · #3 29-01-11, 04:40

Now, you must be an aussie living in canada with answers like that and I'd have to irish to take any notice but I had a chuckle

Richard Coutts-Smith · #4 29-01-11, 08:40

Tim Vibert in Wagaratta,
Russell Altmann in Stawell should/could have fuel pump and plugs for the B60.
Could be Carby issues, Tim did have some NOS of those.
Check that the cold start lever on the carby goes all the way back when the "Choke" is pushed in. My Humber's sticks and it runs like you describe.
Oiling the 2 speed Generator won't make the engine run any better, that is only to lubricate it on start up if it has sat for a while. If it is not charging it will probably be the points in the generator panel, which do tend to get a varnish like coating on them
Clean distributor Points and a new condenser will not do any harm.
You may have visited Doug Grevilles site (He is also a member here) which has heaps of Ferret info:
http://www.owningtanks.com/

Just checked Tim's site
http://www.timvibert.com.au/index.ph...inktext=Ferret

Has plugs in stock

Lifting the engine means you get all the tools that have been dropped since last time...
Good Luck.
Rich.

colin jones · #5 29-01-11, 09:50

Thanks for the info rich, I have just ordered some plugs from tim and I think its time to take the fuel pump off and do a good clean along with the lines and tank. The electric fuel pump delivered far to much fuel and that made it run very rich and I think the mechanical pump was not delivering enough. I think its called "maintenance" or lack of. Actually my wife has found the solutions to most of these problems. She's pretty handy on the spanners.
Colin.

Lynn Eades · #6 29-01-11, 11:42

A clever bugger like you will be able to sort it out. Mechanical fuel pump pressure is dictated by the spring under the diaphragm. probably about 2 1/2 psi your electric pump might be about 4+ psi Maybe too high. Volume is another issue. A hard diaphragm or lost travel, due to wear reduces the volume, but this wont be the cause of the running rich.It will make it starve under power.
Pull the cold start bit off the carb, and clean it up.
If its running really rich, it will soot up the plugs, and make it run like a sack of......You know!
It's British, so everything possible can go wrong. It exists to make you think everything else is easy. I looked into the engine bay of a ferret once.... That was enough for me. Then I did up a trans, and a few bevel boxes. I always associate the two words "Ferret, and "Masochistic" together.

Richard Farrant · #7 29-01-11, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin jones

Hi all, I have a few problems with fuel on my ferret. I'm not sure if the pump was working so I put an electric pump on. So I have a few questions.
1. Is it better to fix the original and how the hell do you get to it?
2. If the pump is faulty, where do I get replacement parts?
3. Would an electric pump deliver too much fuel?
4. It bellows black smoke so thats a fuel problem?
5. It runs like a bag of poo?
6. Do you put a drop of oil in the genny to make it work?
7. Where can I get a new set of plugs from?
8. Is it worth dropping the engine out for a good clean and inspection.

Hi Colin,

I have had many years of working experience on Ferrets, so here goes,
1. You can remove the pump without too much problems, remove escape hatch on left of vehicle ( nearside for those in UK and Aus.), remove battery box from that side, also the snubber bracket which limits reaction movement of the engine. This will give you access to the fuel pump, when releasing the two pipes, you will have to use two spanners ..one to hold the adaptor. A bit awkward, in fact this is the worst part of the job, but it can be done with one hand. Pump has a straight plunger on it, so once the securing nuts are removed, it pulls straight out.
2. If you cannot source a pump repair kit, send me a PM.
4. Black smoke, could be flooding, faulty needle valve in float chamber, float leaking or incorrect height. The "choke" arrangement is only a disc valve and unless it is not returning to the Off position, there is little to go wrong. You may find it worth repalacing the two accelerator pump diaphragms, again if Tim has no stock, PM me.
6. Re. oiling the generator...........don't do as some guy in the US did, he poured oil in the vent over the armature !!!! That instruction is for when an engine has been standing for a length of time, it is for the two speed gears at the pulley end, they are fed off the main gallery whilst running, but oil runs away on standing so there is a small priming plug on the top by the pulley.
8. Unless you have serious problems, there is littel point in removing the engine for these faults you describe.

Hope this is of help.

regards, Richard

colin jones · #8 29-01-11, 21:58

Hi Lynn, My clever wife has it all in hand but thanks anyway.

Hi Richard, unbeliveable, I was just reading your thread and my wife came in with the fuel pump. She got up early this morning and went back to the shed and took the side hatch and battery box out, then the pump. She's been doing the hard yards on this. She came inside at 0100 last night then up at 0600. I have a very dedicated wife and I should have taken a photo last night. She had more oil and grease on her than an off shore oil rig. In fact she has just gone back to the shed to pull the pump apart cause she's so excited she got it. If I can't get the parts I will let you know. Thanks for your input.
Regards
Colin.

Richard Farrant · #9 29-01-11, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin jones

Hi Lynn, My clever wife has it all in hand but thanks anyway.

Hi Richard, unbeliveable, I was just reading your thread and my wife came in with the fuel pump. She got up early this morning and went back to the shed and took the side hatch and battery box out, then the pump. She's been doing the hard yards on this. She came inside at 0100 last night then up at 0600. I have a very dedicated wife and I should have taken a photo last night. She had more oil and grease on her than an off shore oil rig. In fact she has just gone back to the shed to pull the pump apart cause she's so excited she got it. If I can't get the parts I will let you know. Thanks for you input.
Regards
Colin.

Hi Colin,

Thats my kind of girl

Just to let her know, there is a special thin cranked 3/16" AF spanner needed to hold the spindle under the diaphragm, you may have to make one.

I hope you are getting the Ferret ready for Corowa.

colin jones · #10 29-01-11, 22:22

Well simone just found the nut had wound itself off, so it was probably pumping about 20% capacity. The diafram is not broken but I think its worth replacing. She's gonna kill me for puting pics up. Beauty is in the hands with the spanner, and she's a great cook.
Colin and Simone "or should I say"
"Simone and husband".

Richard Farrant · #11 29-01-11, 22:27

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Originally Posted by colin jones

Well simone just found the nut had wound itself off, so it was probably pumping about 20% capacity. The diafram is not broken but I think its worth replacing. She's gonna kill me for puting pics up. Beauty is in the hands with the spanner, and she's a great cook.
Colin and Simone "or should I say"
"Simone and husband".

Well done to Simone. Removing the pump is a bit awkward, refitting is much easier.

Colin, I'm sending a PM to you.

Bob Moseley (RIP) · #12 30-01-11, 02:31

Hi Colin - well you had better get the ironing board and vacuum cleaner out and do some housework. You are superfluous to requirements in the shed now. I showed Ada your images of Simone and she was very impressed.

Bob

Lynn Eades · #13 30-01-11, 05:01

So this is a trans gender disease????... Pssst Colin, careful mate, we're slowly being made redundant. with female P.M's etc. etc.

colin jones · #14 30-01-11, 06:06

I think I'm one of the lucky ones, I don't ever hear,
"That bloody shed" or
"what on earth do you want that for" or
" i'm sick of that...!"
You got to admit guys, you got to be a little bit jealous. Would your
wife be happy for you to build a 100' workshop in FRONT of your house and say
"I told you, you should have made it bigger".
I better stop now, ive got washing on the line and I need to peel the vegies for my roast.
( I just broke a nail typing this )

lynx42 · #15 30-01-11, 11:12

Well done Colin. I,m lucky too, Jill is often out in the shed with me and is always willing to do most jobs (under supervision) to help out. The biggest problem is that she is a neat freak and sometimes I'll put down a spanner and then reach for it 2 minutes later to find that it has made it's way back into the tool box, but that's small price to pay as without her help, not much would get done.
We didn't build if front of the house but it was Jills suggestion to sell up where we were and buy a bigger place and then build some big sheds. A third is now going up at the moment.
I couldn't do it without her help.
Regards Rick.

Robin Craig · #16 30-01-11, 12:02

Colin,

Does Simone have a sister?

R

Howard · #17 01-02-11, 03:05

Well my wife is a bitch.

Howard · #18 01-02-11, 03:05

...Only joking...

colin jones · #19 01-02-11, 04:33

Hi Robin, sorry no sister.
Hey! she does have a brother though if thats any help cause he said, women are OK but you can't beat the real thing.

not sure what that means

Now Howard, you know all women can be a bitch and thats probably no joke, its just that the other day I woke up and said to simone, Hey what do you think, should we take the ferret for a run.

then she got up and went out to the shed!

Colin.

Ryan · #20 01-02-11, 05:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard

Well my wife is a bitch.

lol!

lynx42 · #21 01-02-11, 07:26

Bit of a lack of communication there, Colin. Did she go out to get some lube??

Howard · #22 01-02-11, 08:24

OK Fellas... Enough inuendo & wife bashing. Let's get back to the topic in hand; that is, Colin's Ferret.
Thank you Colin for having the courage to post photos of Simone working away on your Ferret.

colin jones · #23 01-02-11, 09:09

Actually Howard, that was'nt courage posting those photo's. Real courage would have been the shot of her kneeling on top of the ferret, with both arms deep in the bowels of the engine bay and her pants at half mast which reminded me that I had to post a letter cause it looked like a vertical post box. Straight away I thought of postal delivery but the postman never knocks twice. And I not used to road side delivery

I think this might be a fine line !!!!
Colin

colin jones · #24 01-02-11, 09:14

By the way, Simone is sitting next to me and having a chuckle.

Colin & Simone

Lynn Eades · #25 01-02-11, 09:47

Chris knew exactly what you were talking about,without having to read it twice, so, no, I dont want to talk about your "ferret" Colin

colin jones · #26 12-02-11, 05:23

Hi all, ferret all finished and up and running well. My wife did a great job.
Colin.

Jan Thompson · #27 12-02-11, 09:12

Hi Simone and Colin,
Hopefully we will be seeing the ferret at Corowa. Colin and Rick are lucky to have such great wives to help them out.

lynx42 · #28 12-02-11, 11:03

It is really great that Simone is prepared to give you a hand Colin, in preparation to giving the ferret a run.
See you in Corowa
Rick.

Arlon Bauer · #29 14-04-11, 18:55

Hi Collin
Have 2 Mark2/3 Ferrits Have also added electrick fuel pumps work great. In the process of haveing carb kits made for the solex 40NNIP kits will have all gasket and diaphrams and sealing washers. Diaphram material getting very hard to get as some of the thicknesses not being manufactured any more. To Replace original fuel pump or starter can be done by slidding the fuel tank forward. Lossen electical boxs by fuel filter to get enough slack in electicalcables and disconect fuel line from firewall. Rear seat and radio box slides etc must be removed so fuel tank can slide along top of transfere case. remove 4 bolts holding tank. It will slide far enoughforward for easy access. Be sure to grease rear universal joints while they are exposed. Hope this is of some help Arlon Bauer