Modified Conventional Pattern Trucks

[Bill Kreiner]

Tony -- Thanks for the pictures and the link to the other thread. That's a great find! I wish you luck with the restoration. I take it from reading the other thread that it's Holden-built and from 1941.

David -- Thanks for sending the sheets. Hope the spreadsheet I made of the Ford of Canada data makes it much easier to read. That handwritten page is indeed a nightmare!

As for the Chevrolets and GMCs listed in the parts book, do you mean not all of the models listed were built? I certainly agree that researching the MCPs is daunting and confusing.

[gordon]

Well the US produced lots of military Dodges, plus some militarised civilian, and loads of civilian trucks were bought by the army.

Canada produced military-specific types such as the T212 D8A, and militarised versions of standard trucks like the T222 D15 and T110L which were civilian in origin but had military bodies and fenders.

In addition Canada produced loads of standard ( ish ) T116 one ton pickups and panels which were supplied to Commonwealth Forces, these were almost just civilian trucks painted green, but had additions like tow hooks and blackout light covers.

Got one file image of a Dodge prototype 13 cab CMP, which I suppose would be a D15 but cabover CMP rather than the conventional cab.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Bill Kreiner

Tony -- I take it from reading the other thread that it's Holden-built and from 1941.

Holden Assembled the imported chassis/cowl but built the cabs themselves in a similar manner to CMP imports at the time. In the early war years a number of GM car chassis were built as ute's (pickup trucks) by Holden as well including Pontiac's and you think researching the American and Canadian MCP's is hard. There is even MCP versions here that were modified to see if making them could save steel and make assembling them easier plus GMC CCKW352 airborne trucks modified and rebuilt by GMHolden for both the US and Australian forces during the war as well.

53524r 1941 PontiacRoadster ute.jpg 148501p 1941 Pontiac with utility body.jpg 28727_1.jpg Aust%20Chev%20ME.jpg ROSS, TASMANIA. 1943-04-14.jpg

[cliff]

here is 4 Aussie Chev MCP vehicles plus an "Indian bodied" Chev cowl unit in Tobruk. The "Indian Bodied" Ambulance from 119 Australian General Hospital 1942 is unusual in that it is built on a LWB Chassis and not the normal SWB one. Note also the different front mudguards (fenders) then the normal Civilian ones.

12366 A and D room 119 Australian General Hospital 1942.jpg Kiriwina, Trobriand Islands, Papua. September 1943.jpg MELBOURNE, VIC. 1942 GENERAL MOTORS - FISHERMENS BEND.jpg Western Desert 1942 line truck laying telephone cable..jpg TOBRUK, LIBYA. 1941-10.jpg

[cliff]

some Aussie Fords

12CWT COUPE UTILITY (aust) A.jpg 30-CWT. G.S.jpg FORD 7 TON PRIMEMOVER CAB MOD A.jpg KAIRI, QUEENSLAND. Roadster cab1945.jpg VANS, 1-TON G.S. (AUSTRALIAN). FORD..jpg

[cliff]

more Aussie trucks

785-0037 NT internationals.jpg 1938 D50 Series International truck driven David Magarey. No.357..jpg BRISBANE 1943. 4th Aust.jpg INTERNATIONALS OF THE 148TH GENERAL TRANSPORT COMPANY.jpg stuart Highway bogged truck.jpg

[Keith Webb]

The modified front end was actually one of two experimental conversions to establish a version to facilitate in-field repairs rather than save metal.

Originally Posted by cliff

Holden Assembled the imported chassis/cowl but built the cabs themselves in a similar manner to CMP imports at the time. In the early war years a number of GM car chassis were built as ute's (pickup trucks) by Holden as well including Pontiac's and you think researching the American and Canadian MCP's is hard. There is even MCP versions here that were modified to see if making them could save steel and make assembling them easier plus GMC CCKW352 airborne trucks modified and rebuilt by GMHolden for both the US and Australian forces during the war as well.

[Mike K]

From 1939, for the initial years of the war, all they had here were civilian based vehicles , mostly. The govt. impressed or stole many 39 and 40 model civvy trucks from their owners , who never saw the trucks again. I met an old guy who had his 39 or 40 model chev truck taken, he said he got no money for it. Dont know if that's true .