1942 Dodge/Chrysler

[Jordan Baker]

Hi all

I'm looking for any info on the 1942 Dodge 4dr Sedan and it's use by the Canadian Army in WW2. If anyone has any pictures that would be great.

[servicepub (RIP)]

Jordan,

I have a number of photos that may include this model. Problem is that I wouldn't know one model from another if I tripped over them. Can you post a pic and I will see what I have that matches it?
Cheers,
Clive

[Jordan Baker]

Hi Clive.

This is the car here. I hope the link works http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...dIdZ285590353#

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

Hi all

I'm looking for any info on the 1942 Dodge 4dr Sedan and it's use by the Canadian Army in WW2. If anyone has any pictures that would be great.

Jordan..
If you bought that CHRYSLER and as original as it is you butcher it into '42 Dodge staff car//..you will be in my bad books for ever..!!
That old Chrysler is an Ideal off frame restoration project..all original...!!!
And it wouldn't be close anyway...
Get a '42 DODGE and do that..
The '42 Chrysler would be better off restored as a shiny black ,grey or blue senior officers (General and above) staff car with all the stars and markings and little generals or admirals flags
They did exist ...don't butcher it...
Alex

[Bill Kreiner]

Jordan:

If you're interested in sales data, I can email some scans to you. In addition to civilian and export sales, there is a separate listing for "war units" for 1942 in my Chrysler Canada sales document. 55 Dodge passenger-car "war units" (D20, D21, D22, and D23 models) were sold during 1942, and one in 1943. Though I'm sure a number of civilian units were impressed for military service as well. (Additional cars were exported -- presumably for military duty overseas -- during 1942-1943-1944.)

Alex:

That is indeed a Dodge sedan, and not a Chrysler. It's a Plymouth-based Dodge Kingsway. I suppose the listing calls it a Chrysler merely because it was built by the Chrysler Corp. The Chrysler brand itself did not use the Plymouth body-shell at all to make a Canadian-specific model. Dodge did. Desoto did, too, but these Diplomats were for export.

[Jordan Baker]

That would be great to get that info emailed to me. Im pretty sure the body data tag said it was a model D23c on it. I'll be able to confirm that when I pick it up.

Alex, I don't want to end up in your bad books but I do have a thing for flat green paint schemes

[Bill Kreiner]

29 of the D23C cars were sold as war units in 1942, and one D23C Special in 1943. There are of course more shown on the export and domestic sheets.

Send me a private message with your email address, and I'll send you the 1942-1943-1944 scans (the 1945 sheet has only trucks listed). I have them saved to my office computer.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Bill Kreiner

That is indeed a Dodge sedan, and not a Chrysler. It's a Plymouth-based Dodge Kingsway. I suppose the listing calls it a Chrysler merely because it was built by the Chrysler Corp. The Chrysler brand itself did not use the Plymouth body-shell at all to make a Canadian-specific model. Dodge did. Desoto did, too, but these Diplomats were for export.

Bill these Plymouth bodied Chrysler, Dodge and DeSoto badged cars were exported to New Zealand and other destinations during the 30's. The major differences between the badged models was the level of luxury and fitments in the interior plus some had chrome trim added especially to the grill area. There was also flatbacked or 'boot' (trunk) models. I owned 5 or 6 of these in New Zealand when I was younger including what was a rare 1939 Plymouth 2 door flat back sedan.

sorry no pics could not afford a camera as well as the cars because as an apprentice carpenter I was only earning $60.00 for a 60 hour week. Mind you it only took 5 bucks to fill my old 1959 FC Holden up

[Bill Kreiner]

Cliff:

Yes, indeed, that is quite true. I'm familiar with these vehicles. In fact, T. J. Richards was responsible for their assembly in Australia.

I'm not familiar with any Plymouths that were badge-engineered as actual Chryslers, save for the U.K. models such as the Kew (?). Perhaps some of these were also shipped to Australia. I know there were no 1942-style Plymouth-bodied Chryslers, but there were plenty such Desotos and Dodges.

I've learned that 24 brand-new (1942-style) Chryslers were delivered to the military in Australia in 1944. These were bought directly from Chrysler U.S.A.

Are you interested in the 1942-1944 sales documents as well? I can email them to you.

Bill

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

You might be interested in this:

1938 LONDON MOTOR SHOW

CARLTON CARRIAGE COMPANY LIMITED
CHRYSLER WIMBLEDON "CARLTON" FIXED HEAD COUPE
SEATING 5 £535.

DODGE BROTHERS (BRITAIN) LIMITED (at Kew Works)
1. DODGE DE LUXE SIX 25.35HP 217.8 SIX 5-PASSENGER SALOON
2. DODGE SIX 23.44HP 201.33 CU INS 5-PASSENGER TOURING SALOON
3. DODGE SIX 19.84HP 17.4 CU IN 5-PASSENGER TOURING SALOON
4. DE SOTO DE LUXE SIX 27.34HP 228.1 CU INS 5-PASSENGER SALOON WITH DUAL POWER TRANSMISSION
5. DE SOTO CUSTOM SIX 25.35HP 217.8 CU INS DE LUXE 7-PASSENGER LIMOUSINE WITH AUTOMATIC OVERDRIVE
6. DODGE CUSTOM EIGHT 33.8HP 323.5 CU INS 5-PASSENGER TOURING SALOON WITH DUAL; POWER TRANSMISSION

CHRYSLER MOTORS LIMITED (at Kew Works)
1.8-CYLINDER CHRYSLER CUSTOM IMPERIAL LIMOUSINE 33.8HP 323.5 CU INS
2. 8-CYLINDER CHRSYLER IMPERIAL 4-DOOR SALOON 33.8HP 323.5 CU INS
3. 6-CYLINDER CHRYSLER ROYAL 4- DOOR SALOON 27.3HP 242 CU INS
4. 6-CYLINDER CHRYSLER WIMBLEDON 4-DOOR TOURING SALOON 23.4HP 201.33 CU IN
5. 6-CYLINDER CHRYSLER KEW TOURING SALOON 19.8HP 170.4 CU IN
6. 6-CYLINDER CHRYSLER PLYMOUTH TOURING SALOON 19.8HP 170.4 CU INS

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++

I have seen a photo of a London-registered diplomatic '42 Chrysler Corp 4-door sedan taken in west London around 1948. The 'librarian' is still trying to find the shot..if only we could find it again! I think it was a Dodge but stand to be corrected.

[Bill Kreiner]

Thanks for the excellent 1938-show data, David!

I'd love to see a pic of the '42 model you speak of.

Attached here are scans from the 1948 edition of Motor Specifications and Prices, showing the British Chryslers from 1925 through 1940 (and 1946). Note that Plymouths are shown here as such from 1938 to 1940, but some of the Chrysler models are also Plymouth-based. The Kew appears to be one such model in the later years.

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[Bill Kreiner]

More scans from Motor Specs and Prices, 1948 ed.

The British Plymouth is listed as its own entity from 1930 to 1932, and is Canadian sourced.

The British Desoto is listed from 1929 to 1932 as Canadian sourced, then for 1939 and again for 1946 as American sourced (curious!).

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[Bill Kreiner]

Finally, still from 1948's Motor Specs and Prices, here is the British Dodge data. This is the most curious of all. The Dodge is listed as being American sourced. It's shown for 1925-1940, 1942, and 1946. But not 1941?? The 1942 listing is interesting, as it would corroborate the 1942 Dodge (if that's the brand it was) David saw a picture of.

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[Mike K]

Similar to Canada , the local Richards/Chrysler cars here , were all Plymouths , rebadged as Dodge and De Soto . It was a cheap way of marketing .

I guess they figured the market was just not big enough to justify making the whole range .

Mike

[Jordan Baker]

Here are some pictures of it.

[Jordan Baker]

more pictures

[George McKenzie]

I met a fellow this year that told me he knows where there is a couple of staft cars sitting behind a barn .He wanted to know if they were worth anything . I saw one in the Youkon two years a go .These cars would need a few bucks to restore

[servicepub (RIP)]

This?

http://www.servicepub.com/images/dsc04289.jpg

[Jordan Baker]

Hi Clive

That sure looks close. I wonder what colours that car is in? Would it be the SCC2 with the darker disruptive or was the base colour KG#3.

[Bob Carriere]

...I have one complete in the barn.....water pump to tranny....carb, dizzy, starter, etc..... surplus to our requirements...... engine was sold as less than 3000 miles since rebuild..... very clean.....may have spare rims...

Bob

[Jordan Baker]

Just thought I post up some pictures of the car as to how it looks so far. im doing my best to get it presentable for the Military Muster in 2.5 wks time.

Today I got the chrome all painted out. I used some sanding pads in the angle grinder and then 3 cans of self etching primer. Once that stuff dried I could hardly make a mark in it. Hopefully that will keep the paint from flaking off of the chrome.

[Jordan Baker]

Well I spent all day today painting the car. The base green is Khaki Green #3. At first I wasn't happy with the shade as I didn't feel it was green enough, however I compared it to one of the NOS marker lights going on the car and it matched perfectly. The black was Tremclad Flat black mixed with a fair amount of the KG#3 to tone down the black to the colour of fresh asphalt.

I still have to paint on the hood #'s and paint the bumpers white.

Did CMHQ London cars carry any other marking? I thought I had seen some where CMHQ markings on a vehicle before.

[Mike K]

Can you tell us what method you used tp apply the camo.... spray ?

Mike

[Jordan Baker]

Hi Mike

Yes I used a spray gun to paint the car. The paint was industrial enamel thinned with paint thinner so that it would flow better.