Ryan's M3 medium

[Ganmain Tony]

Great photo's Anthony... thanks very much for sharing them.

The story I heard about the Firefly Luke, was the pom's offered to fit the 17 pounder to the Shermans to give it the ability to tangle with the Tiger 1 ( and anything else the Germans had...Mark IV's, Panthers etc).

But the Yanks were for some reason very distrustful of the Brits meddling with their tanks so not many were converted.

Apparently fitting the British gun involved reversing the existing turret. Interesting to hear they may have based it off something we did with the Sentinel.

The Firefly must have been effective though. It got Micheal Wittman which would have been no mean feat. Even if he did drive into their ambush.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Ganmain Tony

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The Firefly must have been effective though. It got Micheal Wittman which would have been no mean feat. Even if he did drive into their ambush.

errr? There is a new and compelling theory that the Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment (Radley Walter's squadron HQ troop) conducted a troop shoot of 75mm Shermans at Wittmann's broadside when he came charging up a long field to plug some hole on the frontline and passed a bedraggled troop lagerred in a low-walled farmyard.

[Peter Walsh]

There was an episode of 'Battlefield Mysteries' on the History Channel about Wittman's demise. Apparently the British Yeomanry opened up on his right with fireflys and took out the other tanks with him but he was over 900 metres from them. The Sherbrookes were on his left and got him with 75's at about 150 metres. Amazing what they have on TV these days.

There is a restored Grant at the Meandarra Anzac Museum and Emu Gully has a running Grant in their Air and Land Spectacular. I wonder if they have their original turrets.

Cheers
Peter

[cantankrs]

Originally Posted by Peter Walsh

There is a restored Grant at the Meandarra Anzac Museum and Emu Gully has a running Grant in their Air and Land Spectacular. I wonder if they have their original turrets.

The Meandarra M3 Medium has a real Grant turret but I don't know if it originally came off that hull - Rod Keys might be the best person to ask.

All this Sentinel and 17 pdr talk has really gone off-topic...
I'd like a Sentinel with twin short 25pdrs which is what they initially developed the short 25pdr for.

Alex

[Ganmain Tony]

Originally Posted by cantankrs

The Meandarra M3 Medium has a real Grant turret but I don't know if it originally came off that hull - Rod Keys might be the best person to ask.

All this Sentinel and 17 pdr talk has really gone off-topic...
I'd like a Sentinel with twin short 25pdrs which is what they initially developed the short 25pdr for.

Alex

Talking about variants in this hull in the Armour forum..... 'off topic' ???

I thought the twin 25 pounder concept was to test the ability of the turret and the hull of the Sentinels, to cope with the 17 pounder Alex.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.... I'm learning loads. As long as its not cheesing off Ryan..

[Ryan]

Your talking about tanks, and sentinels for that matter to a guy who now owns two tanks and wants so many more including sentinels.
Keep it up. This is porn to me.

[anthony urek]

I heard they fit the 25 pounder into the reversed Valentine turret also! It had limited transverse as a result.

[cantankrs]

Originally Posted by Ganmain Tony

Talking about variants in this hull in the Armour forum..... 'off topic' ???

I thought the twin 25 pounder concept was to test the ability of the turret and the hull of the Sentinels, to cope with the 17 pounder Alex.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.... I'm learning loads. As long as its not cheesing off Ryan..

Sorry if anyone is cheesed off.

In my defense, I was only observing that Ryan started a thread in the Armour section titled 'Ryan's M3 Medium' and we've detoured onto Sentinel's which don't have an M3 Medium bottom half, and 17pdr's which I don't think were fitted to Lee/Grant in any normal capacity. Staying on-topic and starting alternate threads for off-topic stuff can make it easier to find info later if some organisation is put into the threads.

Tony I've scrounged a little bit of info on the Sentinel over the years and don't recall that the twin short 25pdr was employed only for the purpose you describe but you may well have more or other info and/or a better memory of what you've seen than me. I think you're saying that the Twin short 25pdrs may have avoided the need to manufacture a new turret to test the ability of the ring, etc, to cope with the 17pdr.

In over 20 years I've expended significant funds and hard work to gather almost enough bits to restore an M3 Medium, along with a Valentine project including upper armour. So when time allows I love to share information and learn more!

Peace Brothers!

Alex
My Missus reckons its porn to me!

[anthony urek]

Any spare M3 turrets over there in the West Alex?

[Luke R]

Originally Posted by cantankrs

In over 20 years I've expended significant funds and hard work to gather almost enough bits to restore an M3 Medium, along with a Valentine project including upper armour. So when time allows I love to share information and learn more!

Any photos?

Luke.