next LWD project (was: Spare wheel & carrier of the Fox)

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

Thanks guys for the nice references about the F60H. We try to promote
the CMP trucks in Holland very much. The nice "Maple Leaf Up" site/forum
from the late Geoff Winnington-Ball is an excellent good help for any one
of us who like the Canadian trucks. Our common enemy is "time".

Dirk

[Bob Carriere]

An other storyis,............. lots of dirt on the beach. The paviljoen owners
asked me, where are the Canadian immigrants ?

Hi Dirk

Tell me .....do Canadian immigrants just wash up on your clean beaches???

Nasty buggers drifting from Newfounland....

Very nice job on the truck ..........

Bob

[Alex van de Wetering]

Nice to see the first goodies have found their way in the cab; did you make the new wooden (lower) rifle holders?

Dirk, why did you decide to swap the Indian(?) tires for bar threads? Better quality tires maybe?

Alex

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Hi Dirk

Tell me .....do Canadian immigrants just wash up on your clean beaches???

Nasty buggers drifting from Newfounland....

Hi Bob, your memory is miraculous !!!

Dirk
www.lwdparts.com

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Nice to see the first goodies have found their way in the cab; did you make the new wooden (lower) rifle holders?

Yes I did, but it's more a job for a carpenter to make "the Socket Rifle Butt's".

Dirk, why did you decide to swap the Indian(?) tires for bar threads? Better quality tires maybe?

Not only a better quality but also a better look.


Stefan is almost ready with the windshield, wiper motors plus a few canvas
straps. After that, the F60H chassis & Cab is ready for a drive between all the
other carriers and CMP's on the proving ground nearby (Wartime) Toronto.

Dirk Leegwater
www.lwdparts.com

[Alex van de Wetering]

Excellent. Is that an original PASS plate by the way. Holmes will be tackled soon?

Will contact you somewhere soon with a new wish list for the C8.

Alex

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Holmes will be tackled soon?

First some body modifications of the "Wrecker" and finally the crane plus equipment.
The "Pass" plate is an orginal one, yes I'm lucky for that.

Dirk

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Dirk..Interesting to see a GM front Axel on the F-60H..
Its is a beauty..
Beautiful work by Team Leegwater..

[Barry Churcher]

Stefan, that looks like quite a stock of Amstel in the background.
Barry

[jaap de wit]

yes barry and they are allready empty I think.
maybe this is why they do such good work with there restorations.
It must be there secret wapon, AMSTEL BEER
keep up the good work leegwater team.
cheers jaap

[Stew Robertson]

I have a picture of a holmes on a diamond t

contact me and I will forward it to you

[George McKenzie]

I have a DT 969 that has the 45 Holmes wrecker and know of three other ones in Canada

Originally Posted by Stew Robertson

I have a picture of a Holmes on a Diamond T and one in the US if anyone needs pictures

contact me and I will forward it to you

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

Stew & George,

Holmes crane pictures are always welcome, many thanks for that.
One of the several nice deals (a couple of years ago), between Barry
Churcher and me was a Holmes crane, Stefan and I very happy !!!
Brian Gough and Brendan Churcher (Barry's nephew) where very helpfull.
Loading place, the famous "Chicken Ranch".

Dirk

[Grant Bowker]

The third photo looks like you found the (very) light beer after loading. My experience loading at the Chicken Ranch is that even a rolling frame can be a good workout when you are hand winching.
There is regularly a listing for Holmes literature for the w35 wrecker set, although I think the CMP used the w45, on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Holme...sQ5fLiterature

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

The third photo looks like you found the (very) light beer after loading. My experience loading at the Chicken Ranch is that even a rolling frame can be a good workout when you are hand winching.
There is regularly a listing for Holmes literature for the w35 wrecker set, although I think the CMP used the w45, on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Holme...sQ5fLiterature

Grant ..The CMP used the W-35 Holmes wrecker..The Diamond "T" used the W-45 Model..check your manuals..It is in there..The Bodies manual and the Diamond "T" parts manual..there is a great set of drawings on the mast gib and boom on the crane for the CMP in the bodies manual also..

[Grant Bowker]

Alex,
I agree that my Body Parts List for CMP vehicles states it is for the W35. Normally I would give greater weight to a period document than an "after the fact" one. On the other hand, there are instances of CMP material being published in anticipation of changes or products that didn't end up in production or civilian (pre-war) images being used to illustrate CMP manuals although they aren't strictly accurate. An example of a manual being printed before production is the operator's manual for the Wapiti snow machine that I have read only reached prototype stage.

Another period publication, the AEDB Design Record - Volume VI mentions the following breakdown cranes as being used:
1. Gar Wood CA5 hand operated on GM and Ford 4x4 158" chassis
2. Gar Wood CA5P and Holmes W-45CE power operated on GM and Ford 4x4 134" chassis
3. Holmes W-45 power operated on Diamond T 6x6 172" chassis
4. Gar Wood CA8P power operated on Mack 6x4 169" chassis
5. Holmes W-45CD power operated on Leyland Terrier 6x4 156" chassis
The single boom capacities for the W-45 variants listed above are 2.5 tons for #1 & #3, 8 tons for #5.

The following is quoted from the Wheels and Tracks article on CMP wreckers (issue 34), also normally a good source. (No references are cited in the article.)
"There were five main types of wartime Canadian-built twin-boom wreckers supplied to the Commonwwealth forces and Allies, with many detail variations. For convenience, we shall refer to them here as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Type, as follows:
1st Type: manual or hand-operated crane (Holmes W590) on long-wheelbase MCP 4x2 and CMP 4x4 (C60L, F60L) chassis, 1940-42.
2nd Type: hand-operated crane (Gar Wood CA5) on long-wheelbase MCP 4x2 and CMP 4x4 (C60L, F60L) chassis, 1942-43.
3rd Type: power-operated crane (Gar Wood CA5, Holmes W45CE or CBE) on short-wheelbase CMP 4x4 (C60S), 1942-44.
4th Type: power-operated crane (Holmes W45), India specification, on long-wheelbase CMP 4x4 (F60L) chassis, 1942-45.
5th Type: power-operated crane (Holmes W45) on six-wheel CMP 6x4 (F60H) chassis, 1941-43."

I don't know how many parts were common to the W35 and the W45 and how much they differed. One source described one of the differences as being W35 without brace legs and W45 with brace legs. All CMP wreckers I've seen had brace legs but I don't consider this as conclusive.

I don't know if there was an SBMA manual for the CMP wrecker, I certainly don't have one. (but would love to see one if someone has one and is willing to share)

In short, I don't know with any certainty what model of the Holmes wrecker was actually used on CMPs. It would be nice if someone with access to a known original could check if a makers model plate can be found. I can try to look at the one at the War Museum that was returned from Europe (Norway?).

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Grant..
I agree with your analysis ..and don't know enough about the ratings except what was in the manuals ./I never saw a dedicated CMP Wrecker manual but think the tonnage ratings on the W-45 were too much for the CMP Wrecker which was mated to the C-60S ..on many of the illustrations of actual trucks in the field that I saw..
Rolf Ask in Norway has a beauty..
There are pictures of it on the forum somewhere..
The W-45 capacity was too big for the three ton...more suited to the Diamond "T"s and the Macks..
Wild Bill has the Big D with a W-45 on it..He should drive it up from Burton so we could look at it..
I'll buy him all the hamburgers and beer at Bobby's he can stuff in his face ..
Or did I miss that..??

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

This weekend is Stefan with the F60H truck to a KTR event.I asked
Stefan & Astrid to take lot's of nice pics on the "Dutch Proofing Ground".
Name of the Military Base is "The Harskamp", a shooting camp!!!
Jaap the Wit with his C15 wiring truck is also coming to the "Harskamp.
Two early "special" monkey faces in one meeting, prima.

Dirk

[Dirk Leegwater (RIP)]

Stefan and Astrid are back home, they toled me that the F60H truck
is really a beast (speed & power). Jaap's C15 4x2 wireless truck looks
and is a very nice truck. A perfect restauration Jaap!
Here are some pictures in a field somewhere in the middle of the Netherlands,
no Barry not Holland.

Dirk

[Barry Churcher]

It is nice to see Astrid at the wheel. I know how tall Stefan is so I wonder how Jaap fits in his truck.
mvg,
Barry

[Alex van de Wetering]

Very nice! Good to see the F60H is making it's first steps again. It will be a sight to see with the Holmes fitted.

Alex

[jaap de wit]

yes I made the trip to ""the harskamp " with my chevy to.
it was a 100 ml drive for me. and when I arrived over there I found another monkey face truck (stefan's truck)
so the weekend started even beter now than I had hoped for.
after some time my truck found it's way next to stefan's and pictures where taken.
Looking very very nice stefan.

oh barry, it is not so difficult for me (6.6ft) to get in the cabin just bent your legs a bit
cheers jaap

[Stefan Leegwater]

Hey guys, it's been quiet from side for a while, but the restoration made progress.

Here are the photos from a week ago, and now all the cables and parts are attached, except for some small details.

More pictures will follow.

Stefan

[Keith Webb]

Stefan, I've been following this restoration with great interest from the beginning and you have done an incredible job! She is absolutely beautiful and looks like she's just rolled off the production line.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Awesome Stefan!

You are leaving the side "legs" off as per early Holmes equipment, I presume?

Have you made up your mind about the floor behind the cab yet? Some lockers and that genny set?

Alex

[Frank v R]

Hi Dirk and Stefan, great job , I remember what you guys started with ,I guess no one has found the gaskets at Barry's place ,
regards Frank

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Stefan

Absolutely wonderful, a truly great effort.

Cheers Phil

[jaap de wit]

Dirk and stefan
Absolutely wonderful,
thats a realy great looking truck, well done.
cheers
jaap

[Stefan Leegwater]

Thanks a lot guys,

It takes some time, but at one point it will be ready!!!

Here are more pics,

The legs are attached, as it came as set from the chicken range, and I have not got the guts to change that!

(forgot to thank Hanno for getting me logged again!)

Regards,

Stefan

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Stefan Leegwater

(forgot to thank Hanno for getting me logged again!)

Stefan,

Sure, no problem, it took some time figuring out but it is good to see you back on here.

The F60H looks fabulous!

Hanno