A Fox street sweeper

[Keith Webb]

A case of swords into ploughshares, this Fox has been built as a street sweeper and now rests in John Belfield's Melbourne Tank Museum.

Are there any complete Fox Armoured Cars in Australia?

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

There wouldn't by chance be a rear steering box or a rad attached to this beast that would like to be repatriatred to Canada??

[Keith Webb]

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
There wouldn't by chance be a rear steering box or a rad attached to this beast that would like to be repatriatred to Canada??

Hi Bruce
I wondered how long it would take you to find this thread
I very much doubt he'd part with bits but I can ask for you.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Keith Webb
Are there any complete Fox Armoured Cars in Australia?

Keith, see the thread Fox Armoured Car on the Old MLU Forum - it seems that if there are any in Australia, no-one on this forum has noticed them.

H.

[Keith Webb]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Keith, see the thread Fox Armoured Car on the Old MLU Forum - it seems that if there are any in Australia, no-one on this forum has noticed them.

Thanks, Hanno
It reminded me about the Rhino program. Somewhere I have a picture of another as a mobile crane.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Mr Tony Smith has commented that the Melbourne-assembled CKD 8446 'Fox' chassis were imported ostensibly to be used in the 'Rhino' program but they ended up all bar two or four, as Peters mobile cranes.

1. Has anyone actually got a photo of these rear-engined chassis as cranes to compare with the CGT version please?

2. I am going to create a new section in my Chevrolet database, one for the CAPLAD chassis [8447] to differentiate the CAPLAD from the Otter series, and one for the Rhinos, as separate from the Fox series. That brings me to a query whether the Otter 8447 chassis was used for any other indigenous design?

[Tony Smith]

The following scan is from Mike Cecil's book on Australian Armoured cars. It does'nt show the Peter's Bros crane, but another version, this one an electric crane built by Metropolitan Gas Company (One of the building contractors in the Aust Carrier program).

[Keith Webb]

The linked pics are an update from July 2005.

More pics here.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Looking through my Chevrolet database I saw that there was just one Australian contract for Fox AC, # 278 CA 652. Would this include Rhino chassis as well as any Fox ACs assembled by Holden's?

Did this Parts Book advise which contract applied please?
http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...ighlight=rhino

Does anyone know, as my WHEELS & TRACKS are in store, if the Chevrolet CAPLADs used 8446 Fox or 8447 Otter chassis?
The Ford prototype was on a modiifed W0T6 chassis, i.e. W0T9 whereas the serie CAPLADS were C291QR(F) chassis.

[Keith Webb]

Hi David

We didn't have the Fox at all. Just the 8446 chassis for the ill-fated Rhino project.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

How many CHASSIS were imported? 90??

[Keith Webb]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
How many CHASSIS were imported? 90??

Mike Cecil has the details in his excellent publication on the Australian armoured cars - I don't have it to hand - perhaps someone else does.

[Rod Diery]

Originally posted by Keith Webb
Mike Cecil has the details in his excellent publication on the Australian armoured cars - I don't have it to hand - perhaps someone else does.

A quick look through Mike Cecil's excellent book suggests that 251 Model 8446 chassis were delivered to Australia. Not included were 131 chassis shipped aboard the SS Port Montreal which was sunk by enemy action enroute to Australia.

Mike lists a couple of Rhino chassis and engine numbers

Chassis # 2844600001, Engine # 270-175044, ARN 74363
Chassis # 2844600027, Engine # 270-175045, ARN 141744

Information from AUSTRALIAN MILITARY EQUIPMENT PROFILES, VOL 3, AUSTRALIAN SCOUT AND ARMOURED CARS 1933 TO 1945, ISBN 0 646 14611 4

Regards
Rod

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Thank you for this information!

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

The number of Fox produced is I think 1,506. Would the number of chassis delivered (or sunk on route) to Australia be included in this number or on top of it? Would the Fox chassis used for the GM 'Caplad' likewise be included?