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14-01-10, 19:25
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Civil Defence Canada
I have collected a number of civil defence items over the years and have some questions about them that the MLU'ers could help me answer.
The first one is the significance of the color of the helmets,I have three so far and all have different paint.The second question was the decal changed sometime around 1952,the wartime decal had a Kings crown on top then changed to a CD shield with Canada on top.Was this because the Queens Coronation that would have replaced any Kings crown on government status? Did the Civil Defence have their own vehicles? The first helmet is painted black with a wartime crest/C.L./C. 1942;  The second is painted green with a wartime crest/C.L./C. 1942;  The third is painted white with a wartime crest but has Edmonton replacing the word Canada in the decal/C.L./C. 1943.Were there other decals with cities titled in them as well?  I have a brassard with a wartime crest on it and C broadarrow stamped on the back;   There is a MK VII 1942 general service respirator bag with civil defence canada markings;  Now this poster has the wartime crest on it but is dated 1952;   The manual here also has the wartime crest in the inside page and is dated 1951;  On the inside pages was listed the organization of the civil defence and its groups.I guess this is why there are armbands made for the different groups listed; 
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14-01-10, 19:27
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civil defence canada pt. 2
It had this wallet card stuck in between the pages but has the American style CD crest so not sure if it originally came with the booklet;
  Here is where the change takes place.Not only is the crest the different style but a U.S. Gov't Property marked helmet is used;  The new style crests are on these armbands.I would think that there were armbands made for all the groups of the civil defence organization;  These armbands are made from surplus headbands for the No. 38 radio set earpiece,notice the sweetheart pin attached to one of the armbands;    There was a first aid kit for the civil defence.I first found an empty bag then was given a fairly complete bag and one day at the flea market I came accross a full bag with everything in it,including the checklist of contents;  
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1942 Ford universal carrier Mk 1 1943 Ford 60 cwt long CMP ambulance 1943 Ford GPW 1/4 ton stretcher jeep 1943 Bantam T-3 1/4 ton trailer BSA folding airborne bicycle ser#R5325 (early)
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14-01-10, 19:27
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civil defence canada pt. 3
Some other manuals I have date into the 1960's like this one/1961;
 These two dated 1962;   This one is dated 1965;  If anybody else collects Civil Defence items and wants me to photograph the contents of the First aid kit let me know and I will post it.Thanks for any help. Derk.
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12-05-11, 12:58
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Civil Defence Cold War museum interpretive center
I'm currently putting together a civil defence collection to be used in a museum. Are you willing to part with anything or do you know of anyone-else that has CD items? I'm currently working on renovating a Bomb Shelter in Edmonton
You can Email me at fred.a@civildefencemuseum.ca Cheers. Fred 
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28-05-11, 04:55
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C D items.
Hi Fred,
I sent you an email but not sure you received it so will send you a PM with my email address and you can get back to me about the civil defence items I have. Regards,Derk.
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28-05-11, 09:14
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civil defense,cold war
Are you including warden,CD Geiger counters,rattles,civil car black out lights
ww2 to cold war Canada only> badges etc Literature,baby and child gas masks? interesting and worthwhile indeavour. maybe should have its own thread as should the ws19 wired folks
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21-06-11, 01:07
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First Aid Haversacks
Crown assets seem to be selling 5 lots, total over 1000 (yes, thousand+) out of National Capital Region at present. I haven't checked other regions. Photo from the listing is attached, looks similar to the one shown several posts above.
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19-11-11, 15:16
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Grant, I am Fred Armbruster with the Canadian Civil Defence Museum. Can you please contact me at fred.a@civildefencemuseum.ca http://civildefencemuseum.ca 
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19-11-11, 21:19
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Civil Defence Helmet Colours
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The helmets were bought on the surplus and scrap market by the Dept of Health & Welfare which was responsible for Civil Defence in May 1951. Mostly they are Canadian Mk.IIs but some former OCD helmets were also acquired. The helmets' colour-coding were set down in CD Operational and Training Circular 7/51 of 29/05/51 : Auxiliary Fire Service - Red Auxiliary Police Service - Blue Wardens - White Rescue and Engineering - Black Ambulance and Medical - Green HQ and Welfare - Khaki The first mention I have seen of the new pattern CD decal- based on an internationally recognized symbol,with the linked letters CD inside a shield - is January 1958. Roger
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19-11-11, 21:56
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Seriously....
I enjoyed the pics of the Edmonton CD shelter. It amazes me that during the Cold War Era that our authorities actually believed places like this would do anything for the welfare of its citizens. With what is now known about the effects of radioactive fallout, chemical weapons etc, little, if any, protection would be afforded to those who made it inside. Perhaps these shelters and CD actions were meant more as a public relations gimmic or as physcological encouragement.
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19-11-11, 23:46
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Nice Thought, But...
Fixed that for you, Chris "It amazes me that during the Cold War Era that our authorities actually believed places like this would do anything for the welfare of some of its citizens."
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21-11-11, 05:10
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Seems we have a lot to learn....
Who do we believe..... then and now.......??
The worst nuclear disaster has been the area aroudn Chernobyl....... huge areas have been closed off to human habitation...... radiation contamination to last at least 150,000 years for its half life....... yet....YET.... Recent research ahs shown that inside the closed area animal life is triving.... birds.....insects...... deer and the inevitable wolfe population is reclaiming the isolated towns and abandoned villages. Wild life is so abundant that authorities are fearful poachers will infiltrate the closed areas. Sure there are piles of abandoned vehicles that literally glow in the dark.....yet pants and animals are triving. Researchers who were allowed in the closed areas for brief visits have been able to study similar wild life populations in secure areas and found that the animals were just has health inside the contaminated areas as those living outside. Is there something we do not understand about radiation/contamination....? ..... or is someone misleading us....again???? Japan who got there bacon fried by nuclear bombs in 1945..... and there were huge amount of immediate casualties........ don't seem to be overly pre-occupied with the second largest radiation accident since Chernobyl..... ...... and we have museums ripping vehicles gauges from historical vehicles because of the radium on the instruments dashes....... Maybe a CMP will just fall on me one day !!!!! Bob
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03-12-11, 18:41
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What is the truth?
Bob, I hear what you are saying and I agree. It seems that there needs to be more study done on the subject. A study where there is no bureaucracy.
http://civildefencemuseum.ca/ fred.a@civildefencemuseum.ca Last edited by Fred Armbruster; 26-01-16 at 03:33.
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14-12-11, 18:18
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Deifenbunker
Fred and Derk:
You may want to contact the Deifenbunker in Carp as they have a good collection of CD material and have reproduced many of the posters and a pamphlet for resale. http://www.diefenbunker.ca/ Cheers! Mike
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14-12-11, 19:56
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Civil Defense air raid alarm test
Apropos the CD thread going here, just thought I'd pass this on.
In December 1961 I was on a Callout tasking at the Signal Corps Armoury at 185 Spadina Ave, just north of Queen Street. (Callout is the same as today's Cl B). I fully remember the air raid sirens going off one afternoon...it was an accepted practice and a way of life then. It was previously announced that it was just a test, so no-one was alarmed. It struck a chord with me though, having lived through some of the V1, V2 attacks in London...hearing the same sound but under different circumstances.
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14-12-11, 23:09
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Air raid siren
I volunteer at the Fort Garry Horse Museum & archives when I can and I was on the roof of the McGregor armouries and Gord Crossley pointed out where the Air raid siren once was bolted down to the roof and it must have been big and LOUD!
All of my collection is now at Fred's Civil Defence museum.I figure it will do more good there than on my shelf in my computer room! Once the museum is done,a trip is planned to visit it. Regards,Derk.
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15-12-11, 02:32
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15-12-11, 02:35
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Siren
I thought it was our door alarm now!
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15-12-11, 02:44
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Alarming News!
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Civil Defence Museum Support
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The Shelter is currently in planning and restoration should start shortly. I have also started as non for profit organisation called the "Canadian Civil Defence Museum Association" Visit the ECDM vertual museum today http://civildefencemuseum.ca/ fred.a@civildefencemuseum.ca Last edited by Fred Armbruster; 26-01-16 at 03:34.
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