Unusual jeep

Lynn Eades · #1 12-12-11, 10:00

The Willys were built first. When ford started building them, they used Willys chassis in the first lot.
To give you an idea, Willys serial 112815 has a delivery date of 16th Jan 42
Ford serial112401 was delivered in april 43.
The Cyl head with "willys" cast into it, is post war(if i remember correctly)
The Willys has a round tube cross member in front of the grill.
The Ford has the inverted Channel cross member (there are many other differences) As stated the early Fords correctly have a Willys chassis.

Little Jo · #2 12-12-11, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

The Willys were built first. When ford started building them, they used Willys chassis in the first lot.
To give you an idea, Willys serial 112815 has a delivery date of 16th Jan 42
Ford serial112401 was delivered in april 43.
The Cyl head with "willys" cast into it, is post war(if i remember correctly)
The Willys has a round tube cross member in front of the grill.
The Ford has the inverted Channel cross member (there are many other differences) As stated the early Fords correctly have a Willys chassis.

Hi Lynn

Thank you for getting back and sorting that out for me. I was confused as to how the guy was advertising the Jeep. I think prospective buyers should be aware of the differences.

Cheers

Tony

Lynn Eades · #3 12-12-11, 10:32

Get on the G503 forum. It should cater to your appetite (come back though)

jason meade · #4 12-12-11, 12:57

Seems to just be an early ford with a late willys engine inplace of the original, Willys engines were cast better and survived better than fords did, Fords were known to crack in several places.
As stated ford did use willys numbers for awhilewhile using willys frames at the same time untill they got up and running.
Jeep looks ok, but has m-38 rims or cj rims. hood blocks are wrong, signal lights,and should be 6 volt.
Guess the said club should relook at how original it is...lol
Jason

Little Jo · #5 13-12-11, 00:53

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Originally Posted by jason meade

Seems to just be an early ford with a late willys engine inplace of the original, Willys engines were cast better and survived better than fords did, Fords were known to crack in several places.
As stated ford did use willys numbers for awhilewhile using willys frames at the same time untill they got up and running.
Jeep looks ok, but has m-38 rims or cj rims. hood blocks are wrong, signal lights,and should be 6 volt.
Guess the said club should relook at how original it is...lol
Jason

Hi Jason

You are correct, closer inspection does show some variations to the original. As I am only new to the restoration game and having restored mine from the chassis up, I had to have it all original before I could get it approved road worthy at the government garage and signed off prior to registration to drive on the road. Our club (Wartime Vehicle Conservarion Group, also had to inspect the vehicle and sign off as original before my Jeep could be registered. I am concerned for any new prospective members joining any Military Club that they may not always purchase an original vehicle. I guess I was lucky that I joined a club first and had a lot of support and assistance from members before I started looking for a project. I also had a good mate who assisted in locating the right vehicle.

Cheers

Tony

warren brown · #6 13-12-11, 05:14

Hi Little Jo - that head has the word JEEP pressed into it. Wartime jeeps were never officially known as 'jeeps' - that head is off a post-war CJ2 or 2A. It's a commercial/civilian head.
I'm not sure, but I think they were popular because of a change in compression...

Little Jo · #7 13-12-11, 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by warren brown

Hi Little Jo - that head has the word JEEP pressed into it. Wartime jeeps were never officially known as 'jeeps' - that head is off a post-war CJ2 or 2A. It's a commercial/civilian head.
I'm not sure, but I think they were popular because of a change in compression...

Hi Warren

Thanks for the information, I will make some enquiries as to the CJ engines and see if that was a good option, though by changing the engine to a post war CJ engine is it still an original 1942 vehicle, or should the seller advise a purchaser the vehicle is not standard.

Cheers

Tony