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11-02-12, 05:08
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What the cost
Hi All
If the purchase of surplus to needs military equipment and vehicles around the world dry up wouldn't that make our restored vehicles more rare and valuable.  Cheers Tony 
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Anthony (Tony) VAN RHODA. Strathalbyn. South Australia 
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11-02-12, 13:11
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Yes it would make them more valuable, however, there has to be entry level stuff for the 16 year old kid in order to make him a life long military vehicle collector (addict). Most young people can't afford to toss $10K to 50K onto something that will not attract the fairer sex.
As well, most guys want something that either has to do with their service career or maybe something their Dad drove in the war. Just as model Ts and 57 chevys have fallen out of favor to the muscle cars of the 60s and early 70s, many of the military vehicles will follow the same pattern. The one exception of course is the Jeep, which remains timeless.
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12-02-12, 04:58
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12-02-12, 05:07
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Watch it.....
What is wrong with a cab 11......?
...or is it what is right with a cab 11....???? all I can think of is that it was an improvement on some of the open cabs the Brits had..... ....its cozy and very intimate...... I had an American tell me when I showed him a picture of a cab 11...... "it is so butt ugly it's almost come around to being cute...!!!! Bob
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12-02-12, 14:31
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Rob Love is absolutely correct.
Point- three summers ago, parked iltis in front of bar downtown Montreal while friend and i sat at outdoor tables a few yards away. for about 45 minutes, every single male (99.99%) gawked at jeep, zero females looked or even noticed, unless it was to yank male partner away or notice his head was turned looking at something....100% males.. ZERO females. Seems the only kind of MVs one will get in the future will come from ex-soviet manufacture..and even then cost will be a huge impediment..(along with lots of paperwork) The hobby may die out, and with so many non-collectors using the iltis as an expendable dune buggy, there may a number of those wrecked in the near future, and if not wrecked, in need of major repair, with a very limited parts supply of certain Iltis specific parts. Seems to me a decreasing number of young people are interested in messing around with greasy rusty auto repair...and there are no computers to re-configure on these old things...
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13-02-12, 09:29
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It is only after a certain time elapses and a certain type of vehicle disappears from the street, when people start collecting and restoring them. This probably concurs with the phase in their life when they have an expendable income and spare time on their hands. H.
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14-02-12, 04:00
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Bob has a point, but there is an important difference..in the 1950s to say 70s, we were often working on old cars to tidy them up, or simply keep them running, if lucky restore them or modify them--
nowadays younger folks messing with the rice-burners do not deal with body work, or 'old' rice burners to fix up or restore ( seems kinda funny to even consider restoring a 4 door mazda or civic) and besides, who back in the day would even consider messing with a 4-door , Now they mostly replace the plastic moulded bumpers, add plastic spoilers to rear and sides, replace the hoods sometimes... buy mag wheels---note Im talking about average guys..not like in the magazines...which if you remember back in the day, we generally had no access to the kinds of shops, or equipment, or money to do the stuff shown in magazine either ! Theres also not a lot of messing with the engine...now its reconfiguring the computer, and adding a loud exhaust ..personally I think the 'car' hobby is much much different now than back even 2o yrs ago. I agree with Hanno to an extent...ex MVs were usually bought as cheaper- allegedly tougher- work vehicles...how many gas statioins in my youth had beat-up jeeps - or maybe m-37, with a snow plough attachment..and as a very local service vehicle (boost batteries),,,often also bought by hunters for the hunting camps..ive seen a few of those in my time. Cant say a lot of jeeps etc were ever bought as bushwacking dune buggies., but thats certainly whats happening to a lot of the iltis jeeps. do agree that originally very little thought given to preserving them as heritage vehicles...maybe that mostly started around the 70s? ...as time allowed a step back and people started to see them as momentos of a very particular time worth preserving and as they were becoming less common I do recall, in looking for an MV back about 20 years ago at the absolute beginning of my interest in the hobby and before I knew many people at all, I came across a barn full- literally- of maybe 12-15 MBs and GPWs in the GTA... there were a few very good parts vehicles, and an equal number of very restorable ones...(actually now, I would say with enough money, they were all restorable) the deal offered...take em all, but give me one back fully restored... aieeeee.... I had nowhere to take them , no way to take them, no place to begin a major restoration..and passed em up... as I was looking for a fairly complete and very easy jeep resto.. I have no idea where it even was now, nor whatever happened to them.. I do not recall anyone else ever mentioning this 'stash'..which would be an amazing find now...and even at the time had i known..or known anybody in the hobbby...... being a total newbie, I didnt realize the rarity of the find at the time... Did they get scrapped????
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12-02-12, 17:52
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not many 18-20yr olds..... as like long (!) ago when we were that age and mucking about with old cars. Yes there are some young owners of these jeeps, but realistically they picked them up for 2-5000$ as bushwackers, not because there was an interest in the heritage or restoration..and I fear those particular jeeps ( of an already small nuber avaiilable) will be fairly beaten up in a mere couple of years. the fact is there are more people exiting the hobby than entering, and its getting harder to enter ( finding restorable MVs), and more expensive.. even the Iltis wasn`t originally supposed to be released to the pubic, and we only have them kind of by accident. I enjoy it sure, but as an example I have a 20yr son who doesnt even have a licence and is not even interested in learning to drive (is he my son???)
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I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips, Straining upon the start. The game's afoot!
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13-02-12, 00:00
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Not so unusual......
,,,,,,,when I was 24 all I wanted was a 67 Chev with a 327.....at that time Princess Auto was selling CMP 15cwt practically new for $699...... I would not have been caught dead in a 90 HP 4x4 that could only go 45 mph......
When my son was the same age he bought a M43 anfd fixed it up..... then got a girl friend and got married.... she hates that Green thing.... he never drove it again....... it sits in the back field. There are today a "click" of young guys souping up little rice burners just like we played with Ford V8.... have a look at the news stand,,,,, next to the 4 or 5 copies of Muscle cars magazine are 20 different mags about after market parts for "rice burners"...and other 4x4 ATV... in fact in most major car show focused on the muscle cars of the 60s and 70s ( which have displaced the 57 Chev crowds) they now accept souped up Hondas as a means of increasing the gate profits. Open roadsters have been repalced by the 57 Chevs who have been replaced by the Mustangs, Cobras, Camero, Pontiac screaming chicken and now being displaced by the lowered, souped up, computer chip modified little Jappy imports. As the demographics change so does the interest...... the military vehicle hobby is fading away due to a lack of marketable suitable size army vehicles to replace the WW II and the Cold War era...... The issue has been noticed and a number of articles written in both muscle cars mags and Military vehicle publications.....apparently no solutions is evident. Now I sure wished I had bought one of those Princess Auto cmps or even a Weasel they were selling for $1000. We may be a dying breed.... Bob
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12-02-12, 15:26
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12-02-12, 15:42
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RHC Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$?
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12-02-12, 17:24
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Edited to add: on writing the response, I read it again and it made me laugh again. I am averting my eyes this time and watching the keyboard.
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