Ford Lynx Scout car for sale....

Phil Waterman · #1 15-02-12, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Stew Robertson

When I get the Gregg tapes redone maybe I can find the pictures of the one that went to shilo here is the picture of the other one It end up in europe
after the shooting of the movie Diepe

Hi Stew

With all the pictures I shot this is the only one that real shows it.

or http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/R...0CMP%20059.jpg for higher resolution.

Lesson I learned was you can never take to many photos. Now I wish I had shot many more roles of film.

Cheers Phil

Mike Timoshyk · #2 15-02-12, 18:04

Here is a shot taken during the move to Shilo....

cheers

Mike Timoshyk

Hanno Spoelstra · #3 15-02-12, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Mike Timoshyk

Here is a shot taken during the move to Shilo....

Ermm, that's a Dingo....

Stew Robertson · #4 15-02-12, 19:40

You are right Hanno that is the dingo. I will have to get out some pictures here are a couple more and the dingo and the lynx together. They are not very good pictures but I will find some good ones
Stew

Mike Timoshyk · #5 15-02-12, 21:09

Mea culpa

mike timoshyk

lynx42 · #6 15-02-12, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

With all the pictures I shot this is the only one that real shows it.
or http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/R...0CMP%20059.jpg for higher resolution.

Phil and Stew, those photos are the first ones I have ever seen with both a Dingo and a Lynx side by side. You can see that the Lynx, whilst a good copy of the Dingo hull is a good 12 inches higher overall and about 6/7 inches at the mudguards. This is because the Lynx has a chassis and the Dingo does not.

Thanks for them.

Regards Rick.

Mike Cecil · #7 16-02-12, 00:04

Rick said: "I wonder if there are any Export Restrictions from Australian Movable Heritage on this Lynx like there is on Steam and Traction Engines".
The answer is yes, to be exported it needs to have a Movable Cultural Heritage Permit. It is a straight-forward process to lodge the application, but it does take time to process. I can think of only one Lynx in a government collection in Australia, at the Army Tank Museum: are there any others? The act requires that there be two examples of similar standard, in different publicly owned collections before an export permit can be considered, though there are some exceptions to this.

Mike C

Richard Farrant · #8 16-02-12, 01:22

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Originally Posted by lynx42

Phil and Stew, those photos are the first ones I have ever seen with both a Dingo and a Lynx side by side. You can see that the Lynx, whilst a good copy of the Dingo hull is a good 12 inches higher overall and about 6/7 inches at the mudguards. This is because the Lynx has a chassis and the Dingo does not.

Hi Rick,

Actually the Daimler Dingo does have a chassis, but what makes it lower is that all the drive line and independant suspension is within the chassis, not hanging below it on cart springs as on the Lynx.

I am quite intimate with the innards of Dingoes having restored around six over the years.

regards, Richard

Darrell Zinck · #9 16-02-12, 15:45

Hi Fellas

Well, since Mike C. dropped me in it with my Commanding Officer, I've been looking at use of the Lynx within the RCD.

In the first pic, I think that's Lynx in the back but he may be leaning on a Dingo. Taken in Holland 1945.

Second pic is a Dingo used in the UK circa 1942 prior to going to Italy.

3rd one is Lynxes in Holland ............and what's that on the Stag??? Pontoons???

regards
Darrell

Chuck Anderson · #10 16-02-12, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Darrell Zinck

In the first pic, I think that's Lynx in the back but he may be leaning on a Dingo. Taken in Holland 1945.

Definitely.

Mike Cecil · #11 16-02-12, 18:26

Hi Darrell,

If you mean because of the MCH permit stuff, then don't take my word for it: it needs an application and consideration by MCH staff, so it would be best to go though the process rather than simply assume its a 'no go' based on my comment. They are reasonable people.

Australia had 171 Lynx supplied under the Canadian Mutual Aid (CMA) scheme, and their only overseas (operational) service was with 1st Aust Armd Car Sqn in Japan between 1946 and 1948 (as part of 34 Aust Infantry Brigade, BCOF). The unit started off with a mix of 18 Staghounds and 8 Lynx, but it soon became obvious that the back roads in the area of operations around Kure couldn't handle the larger Stags, so these were returned to ordnance vehicle park and replaced with Lynx. The Sqn ended up with 25 Lynx on issue and 1 Staghound (the Stag only for training purposes). All were returned to Australia, except possibly one Lynx that was written off. It was possibly the one that tried to mix it with a steam locomotive at a railway crossing.... and lost! All except about 10 Lynx have disposal records that confirm they were disposed of in Australia. At least one was designated as a hard target.

The Lynx supplied to Australia were of two rear body configurations: the early vertical rear grill and the later horizontal rear grill. In October 1944, a modification was authorised for all the early type to be converted to the later configuration using one of two Ford-supplied retrofit kits, either the C19SR-16604 or C19SR-110895. In theory, all Lynx were then converted to the latter type rear grill configuration which gave much better cooling performance, but I doubt that the ones held in vehicle parks ('Command Depot Stock') were high on the priority list, and possibly escaped conversion.

Like everywhere else, Australia had trouble with the axles, to the point where serious consideration was given to changing the axle assemblies for F15A axles. Trials were carried out, but did not eventuate in a conversion program.

They are an interesting little vehicle, and one of the few WW2 AFV types operated by Australia that actually saw operational service. Don't know of the one Rick mentioned as heading to the UK a few years ago, but one nicely restored example went to Canada in the 1990s.

Mike C

Darrell Zinck · #12 16-02-12, 20:53

Hi Mike

My bad; I did not mean you but rather the other "Mike C."

Rhymes with "Balnan"!!!

He also let some info flow toward my CO ref this Lynx for sale and mentioned me by name!! I had to quickly CMA (Cover my A**) with an email back to the RSM!!

regards
Darrell

Hanno Spoelstra · #13 18-02-12, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Darrell Zinck

3rd one is Lynxes in Holland ............and what's that on the Stag??? Pontoons???

Courtesy of Henk Minne a picture of a Staghound crossing a ditch on bridging trays.

H.

Marc van Aalderen · #14 16-02-12, 23:25

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Originally Posted by lynx42

This is because the Lynx has a chassis and the Dingo does not.

A Lynx is basicly a truck chassis/drive line with a Dingo hull planted on it. The Lynx has none of the beautifully designed drive line parts from the Dingo. Wilson pre-selective 5 speed gearbox, transfer with forward and reverse, bevel boxes at each wheel station, 4 wheel steering on Mk1's, independent double springs on each wheel station, dry sump engine, etc etc. Technically a Lynx is pretty basic and doesn't look as good as a Dingo either.

Cheers,

Mike Cecil · #15 17-02-12, 00:20

Evidently, beauty is in the eye of the beholder!!

Mike C

Stew Robertson · #16 17-02-12, 01:55

You are right Mike!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder ,also in the eye of the wrench twister
I have worked on both and the Lynx is a kiss machine (keep it simple stupid)
and also has an electrical system that is not hooked to earth
Stew

Rob Fast · #17 17-02-12, 02:39

should be moved to the proper forum site. To much valuable insight here to remain in the sale or trade area. Just a thought. Cheers Rob

Hanno Spoelstra · #18 18-02-12, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Rob Fast

should be moved to the proper forum site. To much valuable insight here to remain in the sale or trade area. Just a thought.

Moved to the armour forum.

HTH,
Hanno

lynx42 · #19 17-02-12, 02:58

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Originally Posted by Stew Robertson

You are right Mike!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder ,also in the eye of the wrench twister
I have worked on both and the Lynx is a kiss machine (keep it simple stupid)
and also has an electrical system that is not hooked to earth
Stew

Interesting to note IS the electrical system. 12Volts, 6volts and 4.5volts all on one Ford vehicle.

The generator is a 12 volt unit, unusual on a Ford V8 vehicle. It supplies current to two 6volt batteries(6x2=12) for the No11 and No.19 radios. The rest of the lighting is usual Ford 6 volts and the V8 coil operates off 4.5volts. All wires are in shielded cables and there are radio suppression straps everywhere.

(I too think that this should now be moved to a proper thread.)

Regards Rick.

Gordon Yeo · #20 17-02-12, 13:29

4.5 volt coil, that was another piece of genius from Mr. Ford?

Marc van Aalderen · #21 19-02-12, 10:48

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Originally Posted by lynx42

Interesting to note IS the electrical system. 12Volts, 6volts and 4.5volts all on one Ford vehicle.

The generator is a 12 volt unit, unusual on a Ford V8 vehicle. It supplies current to two 6volt batteries(6x2=12) for the No11 and No.19 radios. The rest of the lighting is usual Ford 6 volts and the V8 coil operates off 4.5volts.

Hi Guys,

That doesn't sound "simple stupid" to me. Dingo's were 12 volts through out, did also have 2 batteries though. Mechanicly they are very complicated to the point of being "over-engineered", I will grant you that. But to me that is one of the interesting things about my Dingo. A design from the late thirties and then all this sophisticated stuff in one vehicle. I have a copy of one of the contract cards from the WD and Daimler. Unit price is listed as GBP 925. This does not sound like a lot but you could buy several small houses for that amount in those days....

Of course the Lynx is also a interesting vehicle as it is also of ww2 era. But one of the advantages of a recconnaisance vehicle like the Dingo is low profile. The Lynx lost that feature.

As Mike C. say: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The proportions of the Dingo somehow look more "correct" to me. But then I might be slightly prejudiced...

Cheers,