New M38A1 CDN2

rick25 · #1 15-04-12, 04:49

Picked up my new 1967 M38A1CDN2 today. It was driven into place and parked under a trap in the forest for 24 years. Quite good shape considering, everything there except the driver's seat and spare tire. Ran good when parked.

Robin Craig · #2 15-04-12, 09:01

Interesting find you have there.

There has to be more to the story about how you came to own it, do spill the beans, i'm intrigued.

R

Jon Skagfeld · #3 15-04-12, 21:30

Tac signs, any other ID?

Also, try to establish CFR and Serial Number, then forward info plus pic to Frank von Rosensteil whose post is about 7 down, entitled M38A1, Cdn2, Cdn3.

chris vickery · #4 15-04-12, 23:11

Nice to note the 3 colour camo intact and relatively unfaded thanks to being tarped over for 20+ years.
Should help me with the paint job on mine, forthcoming.

rick25 · #5 16-04-12, 01:27

This was the Jeep that was on the Western Command homepage.

The seller purchased the Jeep in 1988 and shortly after, parked the Jeep on wood blocks and covered it with two tarps and then moved out of the country. It was in full running condition at the time he parked it on Bowen Island (he drove it down to an Oregon MV Show in 1988).

Recently the seller wanted to dispose of it as he was selling the property the Jeep was on and had not seen the Jeep in 24 years. After a significant number of email exchanges (as the seller lives in Singapore), we worked out a price for the Jeep sight unseen.

Yesterday I went with two friends on a short ferry ride, luckily met a tow truck driver on the ferry and after about an 8 hour day including 2 hours with the tow truck, I had the jeep sitting in my garage.

It is very complete including all of the data and wheelhouse patent plates and full softtop with doors, the only items missing are one rear lifting shackle, driver's side seat, and spare tire (the seller is sure he has the spare tire and seat and will look for it when he gets here in May). It will need a complete mechanical overhaul and new floors. Not bad for a "Forest Find".

Other stuff I know about it:

1967 model year, acquired NOV 67
12th lowest serial number of the CDN2 series
SN# 96856
CFR# 7809
ECC# 121201
Had Sterling SMG mount
Had FN FAL mount
Had left rear body mounted antenna
Has large round plug at front top of passenger fender (MP light maybe? probably not right for an antenna)
Jeep may have been overseas as windshield glass says "made in west germany"
Has 15 field artillery tacsign stencilled on canvas top
Engine rebuilt in 1976
Has Heater
Looks like it had a colour canadian flag on front passenger fender
Is in the 3 colour camo (yes I'll take lots of pictures and do the "slow sanding" in the usual locations before resto)
Has solid state turn signals
Appears to have some of the CDN3 upgrades (foot mounted washer squirter with jets on hood, air cleaner, maybe more)

maple_leaf_eh · #6 16-04-12, 04:27

Two thoughts go through my mind. Lucky you! and What a disgraceful way to treat a valuable running vehicle!

I wouldn't worry about the German marked part. Somethings are generic enough that they would have gotten into the supply system under normal circumstances. A piece of safety glass could have been shipped to Canada and cut to fit almost anything. It might even have been done at a glass shop in Vancouver. By the end of their service lives, the expected stocks of parts would have been exhausted and local purchase permitted. Rob Love will have stories on this topic, I'm sure.

If the markings are genuine, you might get lucky flogging this vehicle back to the last unit. Very few authenticated examples get to make a round trip, and you may find a very willing buyer.

rob love · #7 16-04-12, 04:57

Foot type window washer was not a Cdn 3 thing. There were kits around for this, but it (and the column mounted horn button) were just some kind of shortcut, and not by the book. Aircleaner on the Cdn2 and Cdn3 were the same.

The glass was locally procured; not sure why you would have it from W Germany. Get scotty to do a search on the EDR viewer and he can get you the history of the Jeep.

rick25 · #8 16-04-12, 06:27

My first CDN2 washer and button look like this:

The new CDN2 washer squirter looks like this (shown to the left of the hood hinge in the black area), has a foot mounted rubber pump on the extreme left drivers side foot area and has a white coloured round plastic bottle near the solid state turn signal box:

The new CDN2 windshield markings:

Barry Churcher · #9 17-04-12, 01:41

Congratulations on a nice find. My brother lives on that island and it isn't very big. I will have to give him a slap and tell him to keep his eyes open.
Cheers,
Barry

rick25 · #10 17-04-12, 02:24

Got home from work today and removed the dipstick to find a crankcase full of decent looking and smelling oil so i decided to pull the plugs and shoot some liquid wrench down into the cylinders and, not having really any patience, I gave the fan pulley a spin. Great news for me as the crank pulley spun freely. I also noted that while my parts cdn2 has a military junior oil filter, the new jeep has a cuno. Was there any deciding factor for this or was it random at the rebuild factory?

chris vickery · #11 17-04-12, 03:37

How did the plugs look?
I would maybe take the dist cap off and have a look and see whats up inside.
I think the carb would probably give you some trouble being all dried out but who knows... At the very least, if I were to try running it, I would definately disconnect the fuel line at the fuel pump and plumb in a gas can to start it, that way no old or bad fuel going through the carb. You never know, it may start right up.
I bought a M37 a few years back that had been sitting for many years since being surped in the early 1980s. The owner couldn't get it to run at all and I bought it for a song. It took me about 5 minutes to figure out what was wrong with it. I pulled the cap and it and the rotor were baffed beyond belief.
A new cap and rotor, a fresh gas can and a charged pair of batteries and she fired right up. Granted, it ran like crap because of all the old crap in the carb, cylinders etc but that was fixed in about 15 minutes running on high idle with the throttle lock pulled on and a quart of transmission fluid applied generously down the intake. She smoked like hell but once that tranny fluid did its job, the longer it ran the better it ran. I never did pull the heads or anything, I did a basic tuneup with plugs, wires cap and rotor and for good measure rebuilt the carb. It only got beter after that.

rob love · #12 17-04-12, 05:28

Jr military was the standard in the 60s and 70s. The cuno was a throwback from the 50s. Surprising that would be on a late model jeep like that, but there was some interchange of early engines into later trucks. How many belts are your pulleys made for? Two were the early engines, 3 were the later engines.

rick25 · #13 17-04-12, 06:46

It has the 3 groove pulley, upon closer inspection, it would appear that the cuno is not factory mounted.

rob love · #14 17-04-12, 14:23

Why talk about it when you could post a photo?

Scott Bentley · #15 17-04-12, 20:22

No access to the good EDR right now. This is all I can get:

CFR Information
CFR No 07809
CFR Year 1967
Serial No 7105-96856
Actual ECC 121201
Authorized ECC 121201
NSN
ERN 30103
Holding Unit 0122 CFB Chilliwack
DA Unit 0122 CFB Chilliwack
Date Acquired 01-Jan-67
Cost 0
Alloc Code MA
Comm Suite
Current VMO DP358357 - 07-Jan-87
HN Date 06-May-87
Pending? No
Disposed? Yes
Disposal Date 26-May-87

rick25 · #16 17-04-12, 23:09

Thanks Scotty! Very helpful, what does the other EDR show that this doesn't?

Scott Bentley · #17 19-04-12, 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick25

Thanks Scotty! Very helpful, what does the other EDR show that this doesn't?

The other database shows more Unit info and some basic maintenance and overhaul info, along with modification history. Sadly, on these 70s and earlier vehicles, the version I have access to right now only shows what I gave you above.

Scotty

spinnerhawken · #18 20-04-12, 17:16

Give me to get home tonight and imwill upload the information on your veh from the 'good' EDR. I have some screen shots but
Can't upload them until after work. Nice find. Cheers. Steve H

spinnerhawken · #19 21-04-12, 14:40

Good morning,

Here is the EDR info for you:

CFR 1968 07809
Ser No 7105-96856
ECC 121201 Truck Utility 1/4 Ton M38A1 Cdn 2
Acquired Date 01 Jan 1967
Original UIC 0122 CFB Chilliwack (Domant)
Initial VMO Lommis
Disposed of for $2214.00
Disposal Date 26 May 1987

The Holding Unit Registry doesn't list any units which would lead me to believe that it was most likely a Base Tn veh.

The Work Order History only lists three entries:
Work Order Number/Date Completed/CIN/HUIC/Usage
LF0055/10 Jan 1980/716/0122/45,372
LO5106/7 Oct 1978/716/2208/0
LO5092/21 May 1978/716/2208/0
I looked at the individual work orders and all work was completed by CFB Chilliwack.

The Modification History lists the following:
Modification Number/Modification
30010000CF003/No Information Available on this Modification
30100000CF0014/No Information Available on this Modification
30103000CF004/No Information Available on this Modification

That is all there is on this vehicle.
Cheers.

Steve

Casey B · #20 08-05-12, 04:52

But now Rick what are you going to do with 2 Jeeps and only that two car garage? LOL That poor pooch is getting the boot out side right! hehehehe!
Good on you hope this one is the keeper!
Casey

rob love · #21 08-05-12, 05:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by spinnerhawken

The Modification History lists the following:
Modification Number/Modification
30010000CF003/No Information Available on this Modification
30100000CF0014/No Information Available on this Modification
30103000CF004/No Information Available on this Modification

Steve

C30-010-000-CF003 is the modification of the distributor cap cover to accept the autosense diagnostic machine.
30100000CF0014 is the modification to the alternator bracket.

Unfortunately I do not have the C30-103 series of CFTOs, but the 103 number refers strictly to the Cdn3, so it will be something unique to that pattern of the M38A1.

rick25 · #22 09-05-12, 21:17

Casey, I still have room for 2 more jeeps in there, after that, I have to start stacking them!

rick25 · #23 09-05-12, 21:18

Thanks Rob, I assume that CDN3 mods would also be applied to CDN2's?

rob love · #24 09-05-12, 23:45

Shouldn't, it would more likely be something that is particular to the Cdn3. But without seeing the modification instruction I can't say.

Surely I am not the only guy in Canada that grabbed a set of these on disposal.

Casey B · #25 10-05-12, 01:54

Wanna bet Rob?
hey I'll be out that way this summer end of July begining of August yes prime mosquito time.
Buy you a beer when I get there.! Casey

spinnerhawken · #26 10-05-12, 02:41

Good evening, according to the instructions this modification was for the "radiator damage by bellcrank" and applied to the CDN 2 only. It says, "when completed it will provide additional clearance between the radiator and steering bellcrank assembly." hope this helps. Cheers. Steve

rob love · #27 10-05-12, 04:40

Well that throws out my theory that the 30103 was the Cdn 3 jeeps. Son of a gun, just 25 years after they leave service and the memory is starting to fade already.

Steve, are all the 30103 series for Cdn2 only? Are there any 30104s? I know the 30105s are for the M151A2s and I think the 30106 was the CJ7s.

spinnerhawken · #28 11-05-12, 00:24

Rob,

Not at all, for the most part, you are spot on. There just seems to those odd one or two tech orders that go against the norm.

It looks as though the C-30-100-000 series is for both the M38CDN and the M38CDN. Later on they seem to expand to cover all types. The C-30-101-000 series seems to cover the special vehicles such as the welding conversion unit and C-30-102-000 seems, for the most part, to be for both CDN2 and CDN 3 with orders for the headlight guards, spare wheel mounting reinforcement, etc. However, there are one or two of them that just pertain to the CDN 2. From what I can think of they were longer-term defects that required modification. There is a tech order in the C-30-104-000 series that covers the door handle modification but it only makes reference to the
CDN3.

I absolutely agree that all M151A2's used the C-30-105-000 series and, unfortunately, I don't have any visibility of the CJ7 but it sounds right that they would be the C-30-106-000 series.

But the real question is "why couldn't I ever get my doors to close properly!"

Oh well. Fun stuff. Hope this helps.

Steve