permit for road travel?

[Hans Mulder]

The last option is to get the plates as suggested as a vintage vehicle (or even get a temporary operating permit) provided you just give the basic info (year, make, model, VIN/serial: 194X, Ford Motor Company, Universal Carrier, Serial: CT123456) without mentioning it is a tracked vehicle.

[Jack Innes]

Robin makes some very valid points which should be heeded.

It should also me mentioned that a carrier on smooth pavement is very easily put out of control - not the best thing in close proximity to a parade. The details are a little foggy but I think what became the last use of a carrier on public pavement by the active military ended up with said carrier pinwheeling well into someone's living room on Avenue Rd. In Toronto.

While the tracks are unlikely to harm the pavement, they will, in most cases, leave white marks that are likely to draw the attention of some whiners.

I think the only legitimate registration in Ontario would be as an ATV like many of the Iltis vehicles came with. A viable precedent has been set there. This could allow an insurance policy that would not vaporize as soon as you were in trouble & the Insurance people saw a way out in that you misrepresented the vehicle. There are limitations on the use of an ATV on the road though.

Another point to consider is that once it has an Ontario title the 13% HST will apply when you register it and again if you sell it.

( My only defense here is that my wet blanket is green!)

[Robin Craig]

In Ontario, if you have an ATV registration, unless your municipality permits it, an ATV can not be driven on the road. An ATV under the highway traffic act is defined as a vehicle that one sits "astride" of.

The humble Carrier fails that litmus test, so does a Kawasaki Mule. We have protested with the Plod that a Mule loaded with fence posts and fence wire and an SMV sign owned and operated by a registered farm is an implement of husbandry. They say NO.

We got popped for that one. No ticket but stern warning. We are trying to get the Ontario Federation of Agriculture to have this changed.

R

[Robin Craig]

Carriers "polish" the stones in the asphalt and give the impression of marks on the road. This is what the white marks are. Unless it is ultra hot a carrier wont tear the surface, but boy is it easy to make them skate on it.

Most municipal roads department Czars find it easier to say "NO" to anyone with a tracked vehicle for a parade as they think of bulldozers with cleated track. They don't understand Carriers.

Try telling them you have rubber track such as a BV 206 and they just look at you in a perplexed fashion.

R

[Jack Innes]

[QUOTE=Robin Craig;167053]In Ontario, if you have an ATV registration, unless your municipality permits it, an ATV can not be driven on the road. An ATV under the highway traffic act is defined as a vehicle that one sits "astride" of.

I too questioned the "sitting astride" definition of an ATV when I asked the local MOT office to change the registration on my Iltis from the ATV one it was issued on release from the government to a regular car registration. After several calls to head office they were able to do it. No answer was forthcoming on why they thought you could sit astride an Iltis.

I have not looked into it but does anyone know what they classify an "Argo" or such off road machines that you definitely sit inside? Actually an Argo with the track option is very similar to a carrier - except for the floating option of the Argo.

[chris vickery]

Just remember fellas, you can call it whatever you want, justify it however you interpret the Law, or otherwise do what you like but, at the end of the day you are breaking the rules. All it will take is ONE TIME and the future is wrecked for the rest of us.
The first time a carrier owner gets popped for no plates, no insurance etc, the first bystander who gets injured, the first lawsuit which gets denied coverage by the insurance company etc etc.
When it comes to insurance, you guys should all know better. Insurance companies are slimy bastards by nature who weasel out of whatever they can. Give them a reason to deny coverage because you lied or misrepresented your vehicle and you are in a world of legal and financial difficulites on an exponential scale.
If I may illustate using an example;
You take your carrier to a parade being held by "name your group"
I have heard all too many times that the parade organizers have coverage.
You drive your carrier accross town to the parade and get in an accident. The organizers will run high tailed claiming you were on your own time.
Now, if you make it there OK and have an accident while on parade, who is covering you? The Legion who invited you? The Municipality or City government? Your local OMVA? Your own insurance???
I think too many of us take it for granted and hope for the best, afterall it will never happen to me....
Food for though gentlemen.

[Robin Craig]

Jack, dont go there re an Argo, it is the same plate as an ATV.

I agree with Chris.

Unless the road is closed to traffic as a bona fide parade, it aint legal, period.

R

[Andrew]

Just a heads up for you guys here in Canada. Hagerty does insure tracked vehicles. You have to talk to Hagerty Canada and not Lant insurance as they don't have a clue. I called Lant (they do Hagerty insurance)originally and they said no, but i have a buddy in the USA that has insurance on their half-track thru Hagerty. When I called Hagerty Canada they asked me right after asking them do they insure halftracks "is it an M2 or M3" lol and said they have more than a few insured

Andy