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[Tony Wheeler]

Here's a slightly higher res image. I'd say it's an artifact, not a rolled top edge. All the straight lines have this appearance from retouching.

[Keith Webb]

The edge is not rolled right over, but has a lip to avoid a sharp edge. It can be seen in this pic of the part on a cab 12.

[Private_collector]

What vehicle is that photo showing Keith?

Much better brackets than the ones on Ford CMP.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

The edge is not rolled right over, but has a lip to avoid a sharp edge.

Yes, mine has a similar lip on all the exposed edges, although not quite as pronounced as the cab 12 pic.

I wonder why mine has two sets of holes for the clamp bolt...? (the crossed holes are from a rust repair)

BTW does anyone have a pattern for the cover box as seen in the assembly pic? Also it appears to have T-handled clamp nuts...?

And a question for Keith - does the FGT use the same battery box assy in the cab?

[Tony Wheeler]

Another essential part is the battery hold down. This one is NOS off ebay a while back. Jacques, you may want to use this for a pattern if you don't have one already.

[Grant Bowker]

For data/drawings of one battery box variant see Phil Waterman's site http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/PostingPage3.html

[Keith Webb]

No the one in the cab is a full box with a hinged lid. It's mounted on a couple of risers.
The other battery box was I think on a Ford cab 11/12.

Originally Posted by Tony Wheeler

Yes, mine has a similar lip on all the exposed edges, although not quite as pronounced as the cab 12 pic.

I wonder why mine has two sets of holes for the clamp bolt...? (the crossed holes are from a rust repair)

BTW does anyone have a pattern for the cover box as seen in the assembly pic? Also it appears to have T-handled clamp nuts...?

And a question for Keith - does the FGT use the same battery box assy in the cab?

[Grant Bowker]

Since yesterday I have done even more digging in cross references in an effort to confuse myself. The results are summarized in the attached table (pdf format).
Of the filters in the table, I have been able to find the Baldwin, Wix, NAPA and Fram for sale online so they are probably current production but I don't know about the others. Fleetguard states their FF132 is discontinued.
Based on photos found online, Baldwin and Hastings look very much the same. As a group, Wix, NAPA and Luberfiner L8305F all look very much the same.
Several posts on G503 say the NAPA 3042 filter works in the MB/GPW filter housing that I am quite sure is the same as the CMP housing. If the NAPA works, it would seem that those that cross to it should also fit.
If the AC GF133, the Baldwin PF860 and the NAPA3042 fit the housing properly almost all in the table should (except that the only refence to GM 854435 I could find other than the one quoted yesteday is for bolts???) since they all seem to cross reference to each other.
The Photos are of Baldwin, Fram and Wix.

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Tony Wheeler

Yes, mine has a similar lip on all the exposed edges, although not quite as pronounced as the cab 12 pic.

I wonder why mine has two sets of holes for the clamp bolt...? (the crossed holes are from a rust repair)

BTW does anyone have a pattern for the cover box as seen in the assembly pic? Also it appears to have T-handled clamp nuts...?

And a question for Keith - does the FGT use the same battery box assy in the cab?

Hi Tony, Don't know why it has the extra set of holes. maybe a production (missteak), mistake, Can confirm though the one I have photos of show those holes also so it must be common. Also have a hold down for it, a Vintique repro which is the standard design for most sidevalve Fords and readily available from the various Flathead Ford parts suppliers.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Also have a hold down for it, a Vintique repro which is the standard design for most sidevalve Fords and readily available from the various Flathead Ford parts suppliers.

I suspect mine is repro too Jacques. It was advertised on ebay as NOS Ford CMP but it looks like repro to me.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Private_collector

No problems Tony,

I worked in an adult acute psychiatric facility for 5 years.

...

One day, a psychiatrist told me that a particular patient had "suicidal tendencies, but he was an under achiever, so he should be OK!""!

I will use that with my friend the educational assistant who works with a number of challenged kids.

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Hi Tony, Don't know why it has the extra set of holes. maybe a production (missteak), mistake, Can confirm though the one I have photos of show those holes also so it must be common.

Just looking at Keith Webbs photo of a type 12 holder I notice the securing bolts are longer and riveted lower down on the side plate, about where the extra holes are on the two holders in our photos.

Just a theory but perhaps during production they decided to use shorter bolts to save steel or because of supply problems and moved the three rivet holes further up on the sides. Perhaps by then they had stamped out and pre-drilled hundreds of holders with the rivet holes for the longer bolts but no use throwing them away hence the double sets of holes.

[Private_collector]

Jacques,

I flattened the old battery box this afternoon. Had time on my hands because the mains power went out for most of the day. Swines!
Anyhoo, got to making the template for a new one, and I will investigate this & hopefully buy the correct gauge steel sheet to commence the building.

Here is what the template looks like. If you are interested, I can post it to you once I have scribbled onto the new steel sheet.

I know it fits into place exactly, and all the holes line up. At least they do for the individual sides when laid on the base, which still has all the rivets sticking up. Best you check for yourself if you are wanting to use it.

Do you have the correct battery securing bolts? If not, here is an indication of the sizing, in case you need to make them.

In the last photo you can see one of my original wing nuts. It is made of brass. I only have the one, unfortunately. Search begins for a second one. Guess it's brass so any acid doesn't affect it???

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the offer for the template. At this stage Tony Wheeler is dropping by in the next week or so with his holder for me to get measurements.
I don't have the bolts either but should be able to get enough info off Tony's.
Looks like they are a forging in the photos. If so, will be paying the local blacksmith a visit. If welded to the rivet plate it will be an easy fabrication.

You may be able to get reasonably close brass wingnuts from a ship's chandler/provedore. They look very similar in design to ones I have seen at sea over the years. Doubt the design has changed much in decades.
Brgds,

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Seat cushion original but, surprise, surprise, I just learnt a fellow a few doors up the street is a retired canvas specialist and is currently making 2 replicas of it for me.

Got the two new replica covers back last night from my retired canvas specialist neighbor. Very happy with the results as per the photos. He even made his own canvas piping for the covers. Had to make a slight concession on eyelet size and colour based on availability of materials but very close to original style of fabrication as shown on original on the right photo. Now just need some khaki lacing to close them up. He's using his contacts to find some for me.
Brgds,

[Keith Webb]

Has he used the original inner spring base, or foam? And is he open to making more of these?

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Keith, He used my original spring base cushions. A bit ratty they were, but now covered over.
Yes, I canvassed him (no pun intended) about making up some more as I am sure they would be in demand.
At this stage he isn't keen to produce any more as he is retired but if I get a big response from this post I will go back to him to reconsider it. Maybe I could be his "apprentice" and at least do the cutting out for him to keep the costs down. He charged me $90 each which I consider very fair in view of the making of the original pattern from my sample and all the cutting and sewing, not counting sourcing the canvas, eyelets, and turn post grommets.
Brgds

[Keith Webb]

Hopefully we can convince him. I have my own canvas (WW2 type) and a pair of inner spring bases, so hopefully he can do them. I also have a pair of NOS Canadian seat covers courtesy of Swiss Chris but for some reason the seat part only has the top part.

I wonder whether we can source parts to make the inner spring section, which is so important in getting a CMP restoration right.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

I wonder whether we can source parts to make the inner spring section, which is so important in getting a CMP restoration right.

This is something I started to investigate a while back. Got some leads but am yet to follow up. Will make a point of doing so next week.

I agree they're important for CMP resto, not just appearance but also comfort and driveability, esp. over uneven ground. They're virtually integral to the suspension.

[Jacques Reed]

Keith,
This might be a source of seat cushion springs to have manufactured in Melbourne:

I used a company in Dandenong to make the brake adjuster cam springs many years ago. They will wind any type, or size, of coil spring given a sample. He also made a brake master cylinder rod return spring to my sample.

If they are still in business, they were called The Spring Shop and were located at 27A Amberley Cres Dandenong 3175 Ph. 9794-9399.
They were a small operation and had a minimum $20 charge in those days so they were happy to do one-off or small run jobs.

[John Mackie]

Thank you all for the infiormation on fuel filters . I have checked it in my Fleetgaurd catologue and it all chechs out ok. I will buy some and be able to use these filters on my Jeep
Very usefull info.

[Grant Bowker]

I have now tried a Wix 33042 in the CMP housing. It fits nicely with friction on the central spigot to make a seal but still slides under the pressure of the spring.

Since the one filter fits, they are all listed as being suitable for NSN 2910-00-945-2318 at http://www.parttarget.com/2910-00-94...2318_GF12.html and some of the manufacturers' listings also confirm the cross reference I think all of the following should be interchangable: ArvinMeritor GF12, Ford/Motorcraft FG-11, GM 854425, Delco GF133, NAPA 3042 (sometimes FIL 3042), Fram CG5. Add from manufacturers' cross reference: Baldwin PF860, Luberfiner L8305F and Fleetguard FF132, White 871646, Hastings PF860/G338, Carquest 86042, WGB S224CP, Wartsila France F3229, Big A 95042 and possibly/probably others. The NSN listing seems to be mainly for aviation use, showing these filters used in B52, F4 Harrier and C17 among others.

I have also found that the spring that PeterDebella sells as "WO-A-1262 Spring, fuel filter strainer" fits the filter from my CMP housing.

When installing the Wix element, I found that I had to reduce the surface roughness of the central tube so that the filter would slide freely under spring pressure to make good gasket contact at the top of the element. I suspec that the roughness was the result of time, not a basic misfit as the original strainer element doesn't seem to fit differently before and after. Also worth noting, in addition to the gasket(s) mounted on the filter element the Wix came with the gasket between the housing halves (but not the one for the hollow bolt securing the 2 parts of the housing).

[Grant Bowker]

The install went nicely, but I have no idea about the relative efectiveness of the filter compared to the original strainer.

[Grant Bowker]

While doing the study of filter cross references I had made myself a table, attached in case it helps someone.

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Tony Wheeler

Tony Smith in Gympie

It's snowing here tonight, Gympie sound's tempting!

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Grant,

That was very good work of you making up the fuel filter cross reference table. Glad I did not throw out that rusty AC GF 133 filter all those years ago as it seemed to have given up a lot of info (once I got the number right!).
Something that has always amazed me since I started the restoration is the amount of things still available off the shelf as long as you know the right cross reference or universal part No. Universal joints were the first things I replaced from the local Hardy Spicer dealer. Told they were common to Bedford trucks also. Likewise roller bearings and some oil seals. After one bad experience with NOS bearings I always sourced newly manufactured ones. Even the motor mounts are the same as early Landrover mounts. Everything old is new again as the song goes...
Regards,

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the offer for the template. At this stage Tony Wheeler is dropping by in the next week or so with his holder for me to get measurements.
I don't have the bolts either but should be able to get enough info off Tony's.

Finally have completed the drawings of the battery holder. See attached. I have attached a seperate pdf of the Fabrication Notes to save clogging up the thread. Hope the drawings are readable otherwise will have to get the info out some other way. Hope they are of good use to other restorers.
Thanks again Ian, Tony and Tony.

Cheers,

[John Mackie]

The fuel filters that i ordered turned up on wedensday.
One problem I found on one was that the bottom cork washer was glued on off center causing the elementto sit in the housing "cocked " which will prevent the top washer from sealing, The other two are also slightly off center also. I will take this up with the dealer.

[Jacques Reed]

Is it another example of Chinese "craftsmanship" for a price or, god forbid, western workers who no longer care about making a good product?

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Jacques

Great job - another addition to the CMP knowledge library, your efforts and those who helped with information and pictures will be appreciated by others.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers Phil