CMP Ford Flathead/Sidevalve V8 oil filters

Jacques Reed · #1 15-11-12, 03:23

Since the previous post I found the Australian agents for WIX filters, Engine Australia, and low and behold they have some 51001 filters in stock and at just $10.60 each so I got a couple. Even with domestic air freight from Brisbane they were cheaper than the Fleetguard 510 I had bought locally.

Even though they are listed for 60's GMC trucks, Clark lift, and Graymarine applications I am 99.9% certain it is the right one for this particular oil filter cannister as it is identical diameter and height as my NOS sample on the left in the picture. It is a bypass type filter too.

There is a slight difference in the bottom hole diameter: 0.552" and the top hole diameter: 0.480" and when I had a good look inside the cannister there is a thin collar at the bottom which would account for the two different size holes.

It fits like a glove so between the three new ones I have a few years supply of this consummable.

They can be contacted at: sales@engineaustralia.com.au

Mark Bryers, who I dealt with, was very helpful and said he was also ordering in some 51006 elements which are listed for the Ford sidevalve V8's. They are shorter like the Fleetguard 510's and are a closer fit in the cannister. I believe the later 8BA Ford engines used a more squat cannister than the earlier wartime engines so these may refer to them. They will be coming in in January. Same price as the 51001's.
Hope this is of good use to fellow Australian CMP truck restorers.

Cheers,

Hanno Spoelstra · #2 03-09-17, 17:20

Here is a NOS filter I bought from LWD parts. Other than the first example I had, this one has slight rust from storage (what to expect after 70 years?) so I'll keep it for show.

This is what was listed on the label:

Wix oil filter element

NA/AG 172
Ford C11Q-18663
G.M. 853472
Chysler 923768

Dimensions are (approx.):
Diameter: 96 mm / 3.8 inch
Height: 133 mm / 5.2 inch

Ford oil filter element.jpg

Hanno Spoelstra · #3 03-09-17, 17:25

Cross reference to the thread Purolator oil filter N-51 .

Apparently this is the "Junior Military Filter".

Mike Cecil · #4 03-09-17, 17:37

Hi Jaques,

RE your decals: if you know what the decal originally looked like, or can get someone on here to provide you with a good digital image, you could use Photoshop/Powerpoint to re-create it and the appropriate printer paper to make what you need as a slide-off transfer.

Stephen White has done it in 1/6th scale for the fire extinguishers on his Centurion tank model. Check out the process he used at:

http://www.armortek.co.uk/Forum3b/vi...bb12&start=885

Mike

Jacques Reed · #5 04-09-17, 05:06

Hi Mike,

Thanks for that info. Unfortunately I do not have any good image of the decal required other wise I would spend a few cold days this spring with Paint.net reproducing it as I did with the switch plate decals last year.

The only thing I have is the photo of the remnants as show in a previous post.

I tried to guess some of the missing wording. "Oil Conditioner" "Made Expressly for Ford Motor Company (of Canada?)" seems OK but after that all I see is "TR---" "PRES---"

Perhaps "Transportation Division" and "By Prestolite" but only an educated guess.

Anyone out there have a photo with the missing words? I could probably do a reasonable repro if I know the exact wording and I can estimate dimensions from the photo fairly accurately. Don't want to spend hours doing a "Chinese" interpretation. There is enough of that junk out there in the market. I won't add to it.

I have seen a couple of American decals for the Oil Conditioner but they are substantially different.

Cheers,

Jacques Reed · #6 04-09-17, 08:05

Further to previous post, I found a couple of interesting photos on line today on Hot Rod Network. Scroll down on the link below.

Of interest is the manufacturer, Kralinator Ltd, and the Canadian origin. The canister also is a different size to the one fitted to my engine, more like the larger diameter ones on 8BA engines.

The decal is similar, however, with the gold coloured background and the lettering style seems the same but it still has a few differences to the remnant on my oil conditioner canister. Anyway it is the first time I have seen a Canadian decal instead of an American one so I am getting closer!

I had another close up look at my photos and the last two letters on the line that starts with "PRES---" are "---IO". Perhaps " Prestolite Ontario?"

Hope this is of some interest.

Cheers,

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/patin...traight-1940s/

gjamo · #7 04-09-17, 08:17

http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-1940...VW3mLS&vxp=mtr

Jacques Reed · #8 04-09-17, 08:45

Hi Graeme,

Thanks for the photo.

Yes, that's the fairly common American type decal that many vintage Ford parts suppliers sell.

As others have pointed out many people, including myself, forgot that Flathead/Sidevalve V8 production shifted to Canada during the war so not everything has "Made in USA" on it.

Anyway, if I get the Canadian info I will make my own decal, otherwise I will leave the canister blank. Not a high priority but would be nice to have the correct decal for a Canadian engine if available.

Cheers,

Keith Webb · #9 05-08-22, 04:51

I spoke with them a couple of days ago (August 2022) and they told me their entire stock of oil filters was lost in the recent floods and they are getting out of the oil filter business.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Since the previous post I found the Australian agents for WIX filters, Engine Australia, and low and behold they have some 51001 filters in stock and at just $10.60 each so I got a couple. Even with domestic air freight from Brisbane they were cheaper than the Fleetguard 510 I had bought locally.

Even though they are listed for 60's GMC trucks, Clark lift, and Graymarine applications I am 99.9% certain it is the right one for this particular oil filter cannister as it is identical diameter and height as my NOS sample on the left in the picture. It is a bypass type filter too.

There is a slight difference in the bottom hole diameter: 0.552" and the top hole diameter: 0.480" and when I had a good look inside the cannister there is a thin collar at the bottom which would account for the two different size holes.

It fits like a glove so between the three new ones I have a few years supply of this consummable.

They can be contacted at: sales@engineaustralia.com.au

Mark Bryers, who I dealt with, was very helpful and said he was also ordering in some 51006 elements which are listed for the Ford sidevalve V8's. They are shorter like the Fleetguard 510's and are a closer fit in the cannister. I believe the later 8BA Ford engines used a more squat cannister than the earlier wartime engines so these may refer to them. They will be coming in in January. Same price as the 51001's.
Hope this is of good use to fellow Australian CMP truck restorers.

Cheers,