Heads Up: Limber in UK...

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

It seems to me that if we followed or used the correct nomenclature for things military, then we would all be a lot less confused.
I recently sent a p.m. to a well known forum member, asking that he change the title of a thread to correctly identify a vehicle, that he had posted about.(all the old photos posted, carried what I believe is the Australian nomenclature) Result; not even acknowedgement of my p.m.

Not wanting to get off subject too far, a lot of MV's are called by names far from the official designation, for starters, down in the Southern Hemisphere a Ford or Chevrolet Canadian Military Pattern truck, although bodied locally is known by everyone as a Blitz, the only truck I know of that had that name officially was one made by Opel from late Thirties on. The Champ was the civilian version of a military vehicle built by Austin, the name was not seen on official military literature. Daimler Dingo, it actually got the name from another of the competitors for the contract, Alvis Dingo. Quite when it happened or by who we do not know but it has stuck solid with that vehicle and no one questions it.
Going back to the "limber" or Artillery Trailer, was so commonly used in the British army and the towing vehicle was generally termed a "Quad" by all who used it, whether it was a Morris, Ford or Chevrolet. I think the name may have sprung from an early gun tractor, the Guy Quad-Ant, as well as it being 4x4 of course.
Then there is the jeep, officially, for the best part of the war, it was a nickname.
Lastly, what about the Blitz Buggy ?

[Keith Webb]

I've heard Jeeps called Blitz Buggies or Panzer Prams, and although I know this has already been covered more than once, there's a myriad of nicknames for
CMPs including Blitz Buggy, Blitz Wagon, Desert Blitz, Monkey Face, Puddle Jumper (mostly for the C8AX in New Zealand) and the Dutch have an endearing name meaning something like squashed nose.
Local Pattern Machine Gun Carriers here are called Bren Carriers, just Carriers or even Brennies by some.
Dodge Weapons Carriers and Command Cars are called Beeps for Beefed up Jeep.
Some here even corrupt Marmon-Herrington into Marmite Herringbone!
So whilst the Ammunition Trailer is just that I don't think I have ever heard it referred to as anything other than a Limber.

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Not wanting to get off subject too far, a lot of MV's are called by names far from the official designation, for starters, down in the Southern Hemisphere a Ford or Chevrolet Canadian Military Pattern truck, although bodied locally is known by everyone as a Blitz, the only truck I know of that had that name officially was one made by Opel from late Thirties on. The Champ was the civilian version of a military vehicle built by Austin, the name was not seen on official military literature. Daimler Dingo, it actually got the name from another of the competitors for the contract, Alvis Dingo. Quite when it happened or by who we do not know but it has stuck solid with that vehicle and no one questions it.
Going back to the "limber" or Artillery Trailer, was so commonly used in the British army and the towing vehicle was generally termed a "Quad" by all who used it, whether it was a Morris, Ford or Chevrolet. I think the name may have sprung from an early gun tractor, the Guy Quad-Ant, as well as it being 4x4 of course.
Then there is the jeep, officially, for the best part of the war, it was a nickname.
Lastly, what about the Blitz Buggy ?

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

I've heard Jeeps called Blitz Buggies or Panzer Prams,

Some here even corrupt Marmon-Herrington into Marmite Herringbone!

Hi Keith,
I was waiting to see what anyone said about Blitz Buggy. In official British military wartime documents, I have seen the Bantam BRC named as such.

As for the Marmite Herringbone, have you been listening to me?

cheers, Richard

[Keith Webb]

Always keeping an ear out, Richard... that one appealed to me.

Actually you Brits have some entertaining names for things (at least to the ears of people outside the UK) like Lorries and even Tillies, and let's not even start on some of the names for parts such as the British name for hubcap!

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

As for the Marmite Herringbone, have you been listening to me?

cheers, Richard

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Always keeping an ear out, Richard... that one appealed to me.

Actually you Brits have some entertaining names for things (at least to the ears of people outside the UK) like Lorries and even Tillies, and let's not even start on some of the names for parts such as the British name for hubcap!

Ah Keith, I will have to think of a few more and drop them in conversation when we meet in a few weeks time

[Private_collector]

And a strawberry is just a little heart with acne.

My Dad only ever referred to the vehicles he was charged with as 'Blitzs'. I didn't even know there WAS any differing, and official, name until I joined this forum group. A lot of people here call em "Blitz Buggies". Jeeeeezus, I hate that name. Not sure why, perhaps it's that to me the inference sounds to suggest some trifling small vehicle. Whatever they may be, they aint small.

If the subject comes up, I always describe the truck (initially at least) as a CMP or full title of Canadian Military Pattern. Outside of the restoration fraternity, NO ONE KNOWS what those words or letters mean........Ever!. Until, that is, I go on to say Blitz. Then the penny drops, and suddenly everyone had a father, brother, boss or friend who HAD one. Notice I didn't say HAS one.

Anyhow, looks and sounds like we, the individual, choose to keep which wording is convenient, and correct that which we disagree with ourselves, thereby retaining our individuality. Hmmmm. Now tell me about your childhood.

[Lynn Eades]

About my childhood..... I'm still in it!

Bob, I think you and I have been gazoonked!!!

[Private_collector]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

About my childhood..... I'm still in it!

Me too

Why change. We come into the world same way we go out.......Bald, drooling and incontinent.

By the way Lynn, you clearly practice what you preach, with the way you list your vehicles in your signature. [I tip my hat to you.]

[Keith Webb]

They seem to be generically called 'Accos' or 'Inter Blitzes' by farmers and the like.

Originally Posted by Dianaa

Going on post war vehicles, we have similar issues. The International trucks have nomenclature Aust. No1 Mk3 .... etc, but are referred to as Mk3 and Mk4, however the 6X6 variant had nomenclature F1, F2 and F5 but were referred to by the troops as Mk5.