F60L Recent pics

Richard Farrant · #1 09-04-13, 23:01

More photos of Steve's F15 front apron fixing.

Alex van de Wetering · #2 09-04-13, 23:20

Here is a pic of an F15A (cab11) in Belgium (ex UK, ex forum member Kenny). It seems the panel is positioned (and curved!) just like the one on Richards pictures of Lukes truck. Unfortunately I haven't got any better pics.

Alex

Keith Webb · #3 09-04-13, 23:55

I don't have a parts book here with me but I'm fairly certain now there is a second plate which was carried through to cab 13 production with two large holes in it so the radiator drain taps can be reached. Not sure whether the cab 13 one is longer than the cab 12 version. The driver's handbook calls it the "radiator splash shield".

These were normally discarded once the vehicle hit civvy life (if not earlier) as they added another stage to radiator removal.

Mike Cecil · #4 10-04-13, 03:57

Tony,

Your possible use of the 2nd Australian Infantry Division formation sign for your CMP throws up some interesting possibilities. The formation sign was first included in the approved list at the end of March 1942, but no individual spec was given for its layout (ie background and insignia colours).

In September 1942, the spec was quite specific, viz 'Signs will be painted in BLACK and WHITE in a Sand coloured background, embodied in disruptive painting scheme' (quoted as original with emphasis as original). This was the instruction specific to 2 Aust Inf Div, issued by 2 Aust Inf Div headquarters.

However, in April 1943, 2nd Aust Inf Div was simply included in the AHQ overall list without a specific specification, with all formation signs listed as being White insignia on a black background. Later the same year (August), the formation sign was again listed in the overall list, but no spec was given.

This has led to a series of interpretations of what the penguin over a boomerang should look like, including the black/white on green background shown in your image. None of the instructions actually say 'on a green background' - but the original instruction does say 'embodied in the disruptive painting scheme' (albeit the sand coloured part).

Once the Light Sand/stone colour was discontinued, and replaced by Light Earth (from mid-1942), then it is reasonable to assume that, in general, the formation sign was placed over a Light Earth background - and that is what appears to be the case in your carrier image.

Equally, some have interpreted the later instructions as being a black/white image over a BLACK background - the Penguin edges are detailed in a thin white line, and the boomerang is white, not black. This does, however, indicate a level of intricacy that the instructions specifically try and avoid by stating that the designs must be simple and easy to apply with a stencil.

So, what do you do if the truck is not going to be disruptively camouflaged? Well, that's an interesting question. Try finding some pics of 2 Div vehicles without camo and see how they interpreted the instructions!

Nice pic of an SAR-manufactured carrier, by the way.

Mike C

Ganmain Tony · #5 10-04-13, 08:00

Wonderful stuff fellows

Knew I could rely on you!!!

Terrific pictures Richard.... really makes sense how that apron should be laid out and a good supporting one from Alex.

Can now get on with making the shroud get into something of its orginal shape.

I agree Keith, I still reckon there's got to be another plate attached to the apron.

Interesting to hear that it's listed as a Cab 13 part as well Keefy..

Richard Farrant · #6 10-04-13, 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganmain Tony

Wonderful stuff fellows

Knew I could rely on you!!!

Terrific pictures Richard.... ..

Cheers Tony,
You should thank Steve for the photos, I am sure you can see it all now.
regards,
Richard

Ganmain Tony · #7 10-04-13, 09:23

My apologies to Steve and please pass on my thanks to him as well.

Ganmain Tony · #8 10-04-13, 08:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

Tony,
Equally, some have interpreted the later instructions as being a black/white image over a BLACK background - the Penguin edges are detailed in a thin white line, and the boomerang is white, not black. This does, however, indicate a level of intricacy that the instructions specifically try and avoid by stating that the designs must be simple and easy to apply with a stencil.
Mike C

Like this version Mike?

Mike Cecil · #9 10-04-13, 17:15

yes, Tony, that's the version I was referring to.

Mike C

Ganmain Tony · #10 12-04-13, 13:07

I realise this is not an engineering marvel, but I am happy with the result.

Did the copy of Max's TAC sign. Welding was not done by me as I do not own a welder.

Bob Hart one the maintenance blokes at Grain Corp was luckily out at our Coolamon site and more than happy to run a bead to attach the centre 'tail' to the plate.

All the bending, cutting, shaping and filing done by yours truly.