Heads Up: CMPs for sale in Holland

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by svdwal

Invasion star is indeed a bit strange, but it will get a repaint anyway to get it more authentic for Western Europe.

Hello Sjoerd,

It is a nice truck, and fully restored as far as I know. I cannot give you a valuation as you know "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and "an object is worth what a fool will pay". Now let me state for the record this truck is a beaut and you are no fool!

If you study the threads and pictures on this forum, you will notice relatively few Cab 11 and Cab 12 CMPs were used in NW Europe, and 8-cwt trucks were no longer used by frontline units. So chances this type of CMP was used in NW Europe are very slim. That's possibly why the owner painted it Light Stone, as the 8-cwt class of vehicle was extensively used during the desert war. In my opinion, if you paint over the Allied invasion star, one will have a very good representation of what this type of truck looked like during WW2. Plus it makes a nice change in seeing mainly olive drab vehicles at shows!

HTH,
Hanno

[Alex van de Wetering]

What is a "lengthened short box"?

C8's/F8's cab 11 and early cab12 came with the 1A1 and 1A2 "short box". Later cab 12 C8's/F8's came with the 1B1/1B2 "long box".

Some short boxed trucks seemed to have been modified by streching the short box......there it is.....the "lengthened short box", As far as I know it's still not sure when this was done, why or by whom. Fact is that a number of trucks with these lengthened trucks survive in Canada. The lockers between box and cab were scrapped and fuel tanks moved to the sides of the frame rails.

I think the current consensus is that the conversion was done by the army when the Wireless trucks became obsolete (15cwt's took over the wireless role) They lengthened the box for cargo use and to stretch the service life of the 8cwt's.
So far I haven't seen any pics of these lenthened boxes in action in N-Africa or NWE which leads me to believe the conversion was done in the second half of WW2 for homeland use in Canada, but I have no evidence to back this up.

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ght=lengthened

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8147

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

C8's/F8's cab 11 and early cab12 came with the 1A1 and 1A2 "short box". Later cab 12 C8's/F8's came with the 1B1/1B2 "long box".

Some short boxed trucks seemed to have been modified by streching the short box......there it is.....the "lengthened short box", As far as I know it's still not sure when this was done, why or by whom. Fact is that a number of trucks with these lengthened trucks survive in Canada. The lockers between box and cab were scrapped and fuel tanks moved to the sides of the frame rails.

Thanks for sharing your findings, Alex. Helps me to scrub up my knowledge of Cab 11's and 12's.

As this F8 is a Cab 12, it could originally have been fitted with the "long box", right?

For me the question now is whether the replica box on the truck was copied from a "lengthened short box" or a "long box"?

Regards,
Hanno

[Alex van de Wetering]

As this F8 is a Cab 12, it could originally have been fitted with the "long box", right?

F8 Cab12; so it could either have been fitted with a short box or a long box, depending if it's early or late. I presume this particluar one was fitted with a lenthened short box (everyone still there? ;-)), which they then reproduced because it was too bad to restore.

For me the question now is whether the replica box on the truck was copied from a "lengthened short box" or a "long box"?

Copied from a "lengthened box".......as the design of the "long box" is different (sides look different with less ribs, front panel of box is shaped differently, rear panel is different as well).

Alex

Edit: Hier is a picture from the forum, showing David Moore's truck with 1b1 box "long box".

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

F8 Cab12; so it could either have been fitted with a short box or a long box, depending if it's early or late. I presume this particluar one was fitted with a lenthened short box (everyone still there? ;-)), which they then reproduced because it was too bad to restore.

Ah yes, still here and all clear now

For comparison, here's a picture of a proper "short box"

(source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarge_s...7525/lightbox/)

[svdwal]

Well, i didn't bought the truck. Not because there is anything wrong with the truck, it is really nice. The reason is that my legs are to long to reach the clutch pedal.....i felt very dissapointing and awkward towards the seller. This is something i've never expected, alltough i knew the early cabs are a bit small this i did not expect.

So, my search continues for a Commonwealth truck which fits in my garage and is nicely restored.

Thanks to everyone for their help and advice.

Rgds.

Sjoerd

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by svdwal

Well, i didn't bought the truck. Not because there is anything wrong with the truck, it is really nice. The reason is that my legs are to long to reach the clutch pedal.....i felt very dissapointing and awkward towards the seller. This is something i've never expected, alltough i knew the early cabs are a bit small this i did not expect.

Moderator's note: I have split off the interesting discussion about Fitting tall guys in Cab 11/12's to it's own thread.

Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Ad found on gaf92.nl: http://gaf92.nl/generaaltjes/index.p...lgr1@hetnet.nl

Unrestored C60L Airportable for €3500,-

Naam: J.A.
Datum: 26 October 2013
Telnr.: 0610984627
lokatie: 9206AL Drachten, Nederland
Rubriek: WWII Vortuigen
Aangeboden: Chevrolet C60L Air Portable, ongerestaureerd,goede basis, met originele motor en bak.
Met geldig nederlands kenteken, bouwjaar 1945 (op kenteken 1944)
Mag weg ivm te veel objecten.
3500 euro

[Markwin Serlui]

what does 'air portable' imply?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Markwin Serlui

what does 'air portable' imply?

It means it can be partly dismantled to fit in a C47 cargo plane.

H.

[Markwin Serlui]

similar to the CCKW which splits?
Are there any pictures of this C60?
Or might it be the same one that was on ' Marktplaats' last year?
(with the canadian flag draped on it)

[Maurice Donckers]

These Chevrolets are recognizable as is said that they can be dismantled partially, easy thing to recognize themis that the drivers side headlamp corner of the front end has bolts to the radiator side , so that the whole right hand front end can be taken of .
All the ones I have seen are made in August 1945 and later , so they probably never were applied with Canadian markings , French Navy got a lot , and Dutch coast guard.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

C15 on gaf92.nl:

Naam: K.Boerema
Datum: 7 December 2013
Telnr.: 0595412456
Lokatie: Uithuizermeeden, Nederland
Rubriek: GMC/chevrolet
Aangeboden: Chevrolet C15 4x2 Cab 13
Bouwdatum 11 nov 1943
Restauratie project.
Zeer complete en originele auto.
Dak moet op paar plekken nieuw plaat in gelast worden. Rest cabine,laadbak en chassis in goede staat.
Buitenlandse factuur aanwezig.
Motor vast door lange stilstand.
Prijs €4900,00
Reacties per email.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Now with pictures:

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Ad found on gaf92.nl: http://gaf92.nl/generaaltjes/index.p...lgr1@hetnet.nl

Unrestored C60L Airportable for €3500,-

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Just got word this C60L APT is now sold!

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Now with pictures:

[svdwal]

Now officially for sale on Milweb,

Canadian army, 4x2, 8 cwt, Cab. 12 long cargo body, 1941 Full restoration completed in 2007. Fits regular garage. Driving licence: B (passenger car). New engine (New old stock), new tires, battery, brakes, steering gear. New wiring (old style). Revised gearbox and axles. € 12,500.

+31 615 137442

Niels Witten

http://milweb.net/classifieds/large_...ad=70966&cat=3

A lovely truck, i was driven around in in some time ago but unfortunatly didn buy it because of my to long legs.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

FGT Cab 11 on gaf92.nl:

Now advertised on milweb:
http://www.milweb.net/classifieds/la...ad=71134&cat=3

For restoration, a very rare cab 11 gun tractor, all original parts present. Vehicle is complete, runs and drives, rebuild Ford V8 engine, gearbox & axles. The new body is finished for 75%, this is an exact copy made from the original body wich is included for example, also an restorable cab 12 body comes with it. Asking 7500 Euros.
Jarno Wormgoor

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Nice combo on Milweb:

Ford Canada F60 LAAT, 1942, With Bofors Gun
Completley restored Ford Canada F60 LAAT, 1942 , with a Bofors gun 1937.
The Ford and the Bofors gun are very complete.
If you are interested and you want more info please send a email.
Asking price €48000 Euros.
Leo de Groot

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Canadian army, 4x2, 8 cwt, Cab. 12 long cargo body, 1941 Full restoration completed in 2007. Fits regular garage. Driving licence: B (passenger car). New engine (New old stock), new tires, battery, brakes, steering gear. New wiring (old style). Revised gearbox and axles. € 12,500.

+31 615 137442

Niels Witten

Sold to James Gosling and exported to the UK!

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

C60L advertised on gaf92.nl

Naam: R.Hofstra
Datum: 1 December 2014
Telnr.: 0643472270 bekijk lokatie: Garyp, Nederland
Rubriek: Chevrolet
Aangeboden: Chevrolet 3Ton

Mooi winterproject voor de 70e jubileum bevrijdings ritten.
Niet verrot, motor loopt.
4 nieuwe NATO banden.
Met invoerpapier
Prijs: €7500,-

[Hanno Spoelstra]

A local collector is selling off his collection of CMPs (and related vehicles), see MilWeb adverts:

• Ford F60L Artillery tractor (it is a LAAT, actually)
• 25 Pounder Field Gun
• Unrestored 25 Pounder Limber
• Dingo MkII

Then there's another one local to me: Canadian HUW

One more C8A Heavy Utility in Holland: Canadian C8 HUP

And an Otter: GM Otter Armoured Car

See, there's plenty to choose in The Netherlands!

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

And another one: the Dutch are having a sale!

This time a proper Ford F60L:

Naam: Jan
Datum: 12 January 2015
Telnr.: 0623864533
Lokatie: Onstwedde, Nederland
Rubriek: Ford
Aangeboden: Te koop

Ford F60L bouwjaar 1943 ex.Nederlandsch leger (KM)
Gave carrosserie
Auto is in goede conditie
Veel nieuw o.a. remmerij ,leidingen ,slangen ,e.d.
remt goed
gestraalde en gecoate velgen en z.g.a.n. banden met origineel profiel

Auto moet nog afgewerkt worden
voor vragen bellen!!
0599-331202
na 18:00uur en niet op zondag
Vr.pr € 5250,-

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

C15 on gaf92.nl:

One more picture of this C15 4x2 truck. Looks nice & complete, but its engine is stuck.

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Water tank for CMP and/or Bedford?

Naam: Albers



Datum: 22 March 2015
Telnr.: 0653428079
Lokatie: Oudenhoorn, Nederland
Rubriek: voertuigonderdelen
Aangeboden: Watertank voor achter op de Ford Canada, Chevrolet Canada en Bedford.
Vraagprijs 850 euro

[Alex van de Wetering]

Water tank for CMP and/or Bedford?

Looks like a Bedford MWC tank, not CMP. CMP water tanks are oval shaped...without the flat sides. Also the door layout at the rear and filters are completely different.

Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Alex,

You are right of course.
I believe this one came off a CMP though, if so it must have been swapped during a rebuild.

Regards
Hanno

[Markwin Serlui]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

One more picture of this C15 4x2 truck. Looks nice & complete, but its engine is stuck.

looks like it's gone!?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

C60L on Milweb:

1945 Chevrolet C60L CMP
2000 miles on speedo.
In original unrestored patina'd condition,



It was released from French army in 1980 and dry stored at a collector since last year. It was never civilian registered and all original.
Everything was preserved for long term storage, waxed and sealed.
We did the wake up work on it, rebuilt the brakes, changed the fluids, replaced batteries.
This Chevrolet is really as original as it gets, never repainted.
The low mileage of 2000 miles is noticeable. It runs so quite and smooth, we never experienced this before. The patina is awesome and gives this vehicle an unique character.
Are you looking for something special, something that will not come by soon anymore for a decent price, grab your chance now.
Worldwide shipping available
Maurice Klok - Airborne Garage: +31 641 845859

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Markwin Serlui

looks like it's gone!?

Yes,it was sold - see picture when it was on it's way to the new owner!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

F15A for sale in Holland (not mine): http://link.marktplaats.nl/m947883092

For sale:

Ford Canada CMP four wheel drive tow truck also called FAT
Classic Heavy Utility Vehicle F-15A GS
Truck is fitted with a Chevrolet, 6-cyl 216 cubic inch petrol 85 bhp (52 kW)
Weight: 8360 lbs
Tires: 20''
Last driven 10 years ago, tires are good.
The Ford comes with belgian papers.

Note the stirrup step on the LH side!