Cfr 70-08889

[chris vickery]

Jon, exactly what I was afraid of, was that someone would confuse my query regarding the 89 call sign.
It just so happens that he last digits of the CFR are 89 but there is separately stencilled number 89 right above the grab bar as well. I want to know if 89 is a call sign and if so what it would represent. It appears that this jeep had carried dual radios, so I am wondering if it was a command jeep?

[Jon Skagfeld]

Chris: A "commamnd group" jeep call sign would be prefixed by 9 i.e that is the commander, 91 is the Sig O etc.

89 is the call sign for the OC Admin Coy. Beats me why he would have a dual radio set up and a side mounted GPMG???

[chris vickery]

Hi Jon
The interesting part to me about MVS is trying to decipher the riddles often posed by the addition or deletion of certain items over their lifespan.
From what I have gathered in my studies of the M38A1, is that they were used over a vast span of time, transferred, bastardized etc.
My 1970 shows signs for example of having the fire extinguisher mounted in both locations, once between the seats and once on the dashboard...
This 1971 I have picked up has its mysteries, perhaps once Scott gets back to me with the CFR info some will be solved.
My 1970 was proven to be an ex militia 1Hussars recce jeep before it ended life in the motor pool at CFB Borden prior to disposal. It is undergoing restoration back to its former glory.
Sadly, I think the 1971 will be relegated to parts only as its pretty tough...

[Ed Storey]

Chris:

What are the serial numbers of your two M38A1CDN3s?

ED

[rob love]

Originally Posted by chris vickery

Hi Jon

My 1970 shows signs for example of having the fire extinguisher mounted in both locations, once between the seats and once on the dashboard...

All (or the majority of) the M38A1 CDN2 and CDN3 should have evidence of the mount in both locations. It was a required modification (CF011) to relocate the extinguisher mount so the smg bracket could go there.


The dash is a very unlikely place for the call sign......usually the OC Adm knows his call sign. Can't say that I have ever seen a call sign on the dash. When it comes to jeeps, usually on the corners of the cowl, or under the doors.

I think that during the changeover from the C42 to the 524 sets, the radio switched sides. This can explain why it would appear to have had dual IKEE. Or, it may have had dual IKEE.....hard to tell.

[chris vickery]

Hi Rob
As always, appreciate the insight.
What I think is unusual is the fact that the CFR is clearly stencilled on the dash in white numbers as per usual and then there is another set of stencilled numbers above the grab bar, 89, in the same milspec font. Doesn't make sense to me other than my assumption that perhaps it was the call sign?
I have not seen this on any other m series jeeps. Do not think it is a bubba add on as this jeep is a typical example of what happens to milsurp vehicles. Buy it, drive into the ground and abandon.

[rob love]

Post a picture and perhaps we can make a better determination.

[chris vickery]

Ed, the serial numbers of my CDN3s are 100071 (CFR 70-08669) and 99881
(CFR 70-08889)