C60 cwt Signals CZMk IV

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Gordon

Looking back through war time photos that have been posted over the years the small L shaped two light holder was pretty much standard.

Take a look at http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14097 I'll find some other photos.

Photos below are HUP but all of original mounting brackets for the Pattern 13s I have seen have look identical. Note the switch this is a late production change replacing the tail light isolation switch which had been on the frame near the right rear wheel to a switch on the tail light. It turns off the tail light and turns on a light under the truck aimed at the differential back which was painted white. This was for blackout convoy.

As tail lights they are totally worthless. On all of my three I've added 3" commercial truck tail lights. On my large trucks I have concealed these behind the standard round reflectors which where common to military vehicles.

I've been looking for good bright LED units to replace the bulbs.

Think I have an original bracket that came with my C60S on the shelf that I can do a drawing of.

Cheers Phil

[chris vickery]

Just a sugestion Gordon;
On one previous project that I restored, I used 4 of the rubber style early taillights with red lens and added two later type M series w/ full lens 24v type changed to 6v on quick disconnects (Packard). I used the Packard connectors so I could remove them if I wanted to display at a show and be more period correct.
At any rate, I would suggest using mil-spec lights of some type rather than anything civilian.

[Grant Bowker]

For a LED stop/turn/tail light, consider the 7" bus units. Grote, Truck-Lite and Peterson (and probably others) should all make comparable units, designed to mount on flat surfaces. Who could miss them? An example of what I'm thinking of is at the bottom of page 78 of this catalogue. http://www.grote.com/marketing/Liter...Turn-Lamps.pdf
To be even more conspicuous, mount them on a removable board covered in reflective sheeting. http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawe...SevTSeSSSSSS--

[chris vickery]

The only issue with LED lighting may be the requirement for 12v. Not sure how the truck is being wired up but, if 6v, not sure whether or not LEDs will work. I don't think they make a 6v version...

[Harry Moon]

I've used both 6 volt and 12 volt LED in my tail lights. I couldn't get off the shelf 6 volt bulbs that fit in the pencil lights but did in 12 volt. I also replaced the lens cover with the "Jewell" type found in Hot Rod shops, they make the light stick out a bit more for seeing at an angle and the LED lights are clearly visible on the brightest days.
More recently on my trailer I set up a pair of magnetic tow-truck taillights with turn signals. Stick them on when traveling and stick them underneath when on display or parade.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Gordon

Here are some photos and drawing of the Tail Light Bracket from my HUP, maybe someone could confirm these against other brackets.

If the drawing is not large enough to read the measurements I can post a larger version on my web page.

All the extra lines are how I do the lay out to drill and cut before bending. When I made up the replacements for the HUP during the restoration I printed the drawing full size self adhesive label stock which I just stick on the steel.

Just realized that a dimension was missing the thickness of the steel 0.140 inches thick. Also the drawing shows a sharp bend while of course it is slightly radius-ed.

Cheers Phil

[Gordon Yeo]

Phil

Thanks for posting the drawings for the rear light mounts, I'm sure I can read the dimensions as posted. I will have two separate rear lighting systems each mounted independently. Rather than use M-series lights I plan on using a trailer light package for the rear lights and do a little reverse engineering.

I took your advice and re-routed the oil pressure gauge line around the back of the engine away from the manifold heat.

Here is a picture of the lights that I have reconditioned and made leads for, I got the lenses for then at Acton. Thanks to Harry and Grant for the suggestions about LEDs, I've already been tip off about them.

Gord

[Gordon Yeo]

I have run out of things to do on the truck, for a while. My canvas bits are going to be made soon and then I can finish off the nose piece. I need some warm weather to do more painting on the van body and from the weather forecast that won't be any time soon. So, on to more practical jobs and getting ready for spring work.

Here are a few pictures before the truck went into storage. I looked up the delivery bill and it arrived March 27 last year.