You know you want one! M113A1 for sale

Robert Bergeron · #1 03-08-14, 13:42

Frank,

I remember seeing those (50-60 ) M-113's assembled in a field in Farnham, Qc Canada from a couple of years ago. Rumour was at the time they were going for foreign aid to some african country.

Last fall when i returned to Farnham for annual weapons qualification they were gone !

Anyone on this net know where they have gone ?

It is getting harder to have access to ex-military equipment in Canada.Last vehicules we could buy were the Iltis 1/4 ton truck and they are very thin skinned and rust thru easily.

Because of all the Treaties Canada has adhered to and signed , i am of the opinion that it is the End of CONTEMPORARY MILITARY VEHICULE COLLECTING. Frustrating to say the least.

a LITTLE CONTROVERSY to spark comments here...

Robert

rob love · #2 03-08-14, 14:21

If you thought the Iltis was bad, just wait until the DND unleashes the LSVW on you. They are now in the initial stages of divestment. No idea though if they will be sold to the public. If they are, you'll hear about it, but mostly because the brakes squeal worse than anything else on the road.

There will always be small numbers sneak out of any vehicle type, often as write offs thru the scrap yards. It takes very devoted collectors to try and un-do the damage to these vehicles when the DND decides they are beyond economical repair.

Frank v R · #3 03-08-14, 15:24

sorry to tell you Rob , you will not see the LS , last trip to Pet , 2 Horse had their compound full of LS, HL, and ML's going to the chipper, also G-wagon will never come out, you will all need to wait for the Milcot's, does anyone know of anything new in the pipeline to replace all these vehicles, pray we don't get into another shooting war, the only good transport still in the system will be the MK 4 CB and don't wear them out!

David Dunlop · #4 03-08-14, 16:34

When 2PPCLI were still based here in Winnipeg, there was a vehicle in service members of the Regt referred to as "the Italian Bread Truck". I think it might have been built/assembled out West somewhere. Anyone know what it actually was, if it is still in service, or if it ever made it through Crown Assets to the civvies market?

David

Frank v R · #5 03-08-14, 17:25

you are speaking of the LSVW, we had a different name for them , please no one take offence , we called them wop wagons , they are Fiats, assembled by Western Star Trucks in BC, we thought they were bad , then came the CF version of the G-wagon , too bad we bought that one, the old ones were solid dumb trucks , easy to fix in the field , soft top G-wagons were in the comp. to replace the M-38A1's but they chose the Iltis with a gas engine , the LSVW was also a simple diesel, no electronics, now you can't fix any of the new wheeled vehicles in the field, polish those combat boots,

David Dunlop · #6 03-08-14, 18:07

Sadly, Frank, you have hit the nail squarely on the head and the powers that be (once again) do not seem to have learned anything from History.

We look back at WW2 and all wax poetic about the amazing aspects of German Tank design, but the weak point with them was the overly complex design which drastically reduced production capability. Compare to the Sherman and T34 which may not entirely have matched the technical level of the German tanks but could be built in greater numbers. The concept of keeping it simple was understood loud and clear.

Clearly, that lesson has been lost on the people today, both in the military and manufacturing sectors, when it comes to new equipment designs. It doesn't make it any easier, either, when you also factor in the present "disposable culture" we have created. We just don't seem to care anymore that things are no longer built to last. (Do not get me started on the current generation of maintenance free car batteries.)

You are right as far as the guys on the ground are concerned. Their best investment down the road will be a good pair of boots. At least they will have that option. Pity the pilots if the F35 ever goes into service. Technology is running amok with that project with no end in sight. Makes the old Avro Arrow look like the deal of the century now, doesn't it.

David

chrisgrove · #7 03-08-14, 22:23

The problem we have over here across the pond is that even military vehicles have to comply with EU emission regulations. That means that nice simple gas and diesel vehicles are ruled out. Though the French ACMAT trucks are said to be pretty simple and rugged. I expect the French, pragmatically, are just ignoring the EU rules as they often seem to do.

I expect that similar considerations apply to military vehicles across your side too.

Chris

maple_leaf_eh · #8 31-01-17, 23:24

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Originally Posted by rob love

If you thought the Iltis was bad, just wait until the DND unleashes the LSVW on you. They are now in the initial stages of divestment. No idea though if they will be sold to the public. If they are, you'll hear about it, but mostly because the brakes squeal worse than anything else on the road.

There will always be small numbers sneak out of any vehicle type, often as write offs thru the scrap yards. It takes very devoted collectors to try and un-do the damage to these vehicles when the DND decides they are beyond economical repair.

I had a conversation with a manager of surplus sales, while he was inspecting a 4-colour printing press we will be putting up for auction very soon. After a bit, we got around to talking about LSVWs. Someone in the disposals office came to their senses when one or two LS's sold for thousands of dollars. Why get $80 or $100 when people are anxious to buy them for seventy-five or a hundred times more? No more to the scrappers, and most of the remaining few thousand will be sold off as the market will bear.

rob love · #9 31-01-17, 23:40

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Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

I had a conversation with a manager of surplus sales, while he was inspecting a 4-colour printing press we will be putting up for auction very soon. After a bit, we got around to talking about LSVWs. Someone in the disposals office came to their senses when one or two LS's sold for thousands of dollars. Why get $80 or $100 when people are anxious to buy them for seventy-five or a hundred times more? No more to the scrappers, and most of the remaining few thousand will be sold off as the market will bear.

Still plenty heading to the prisons for dismantling. Since any replacement has been moved at least 5 years down the road (likely even further), the cannibalization is the selected method to keep the fleet going. Don't think for even a second that the $5,000 selling price would even equal even a shoebox full of selected parts for these vehicles if we had to have them made new.

If they had really come to their senses, they would have started releasing MLVWs again instead of sending them to the prisons for destruction.

Ryan Harriman · #10 01-02-17, 04:37

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Originally Posted by rob love

Still plenty heading to the prisons for dismantling. Since any replacement has been moved at least 5 years down the road (likely even further), the cannibalization is the selected method to keep the fleet going. Don't think for even a second that the $5,000 selling price would even equal even a shoebox full of selected parts for these vehicles if we had to have them made new.

If they had really come to their senses, they would have started releasing MLVWs again instead of sending them to the prisons for destruction.

You should see the rows of HLVW's, MLVW's and various other things lined up at the Corcan waiting to be chopped up for parts.