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10-12-14, 10:09
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That's the newer mark unit and there's quite a few differences. I think the 'rivets' are gobs of solder or braze. No two are the same. The tires are the same diameter as on the other pics of this model but the wheels aren't wire.
Notice on the connectors that they have long and short appendages. It's my guess that the pipes go straight on through the short ones and end in the long ones. This would make it quite a bit stronger. The lengthwise pipes would go all the way in one piece as would the U-shaped ends. The whole thing with the radio and batteries weighs 380 pounds. This one even has the equipment tray spring mounted on springs.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 Last edited by cletrac (RIP); 11-12-14 at 04:20. 
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I found a few more pictures of the MK IV. With no paint it sure looks like it's made of steel. They were asking 650 pounds for the one on Milweb.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
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Or is it steel? I enlarged this bit and it looks like tarnished copper.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
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12-12-14, 11:21
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I had one of these - MK IV with the "D" shaped handles - nice, but bulky - tyre size is odd and hard to find replacements. Sold it because it took up valuable space and hardly got used and have decided to sell up most of my wireless and telecoms kit because it never gets used - and have shifted my interest from Infantry kit to Vehicle installations (easier to carry around).
Recall it was good to ensure you didnt get your fingers trapped in the legs when they fold. They turn up from time to time - so better to look for a real one, than to make one. Tim
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12-12-14, 16:23
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Tim, so was the tubing copper or steel?
I see the MK III used bicycle type wheels and the MK IV used welded up spoked wheels.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 Last edited by cletrac (RIP); 13-12-14 at 16:10.
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13-12-14, 16:18
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I did some more scaling and the steel tubing is 1".
The MK IV was built closer to the ground with bigger wheels and wider tires. The MK III must have sank into the sand too much and been too top heavy. In the period pictures they have a crew of five carrying it to shore.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2
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WS22 Handcart
I realise this is an old thread but interestingly I have just acquired the unrestored Mk IV Handcart shown in the photos above. Construction is definitely steel tube. The cart came with one original tyre (very battered ) and it is marked 14 - 2.5 inches for fitting on an 11 inch rim.
My intention is to restore it back to bare metal, repaint and then fit it out with my WS22 set up. Started work on it today. Something a bit different and certainly an easier restoration. Rob
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