Another Mk.I Canadian colour question

eddy8men · #1 13-12-14, 12:05

the thing is I don't think it's KG3 it looks too light to me but without seeing a swatch next to the original colour it's hard to tell.
we'll see next week !

Jim Burrill · #2 13-12-14, 16:00

Oh My! Did I commit sacrilege suggesting using exterior grade latex paint instead of automotive alkyd enamel?

While there are US manufacturers of MILSPEC paint in cammo colors, it is all geared for the US vehicle market - not the Brit colours.

As the old saying goes... "needs must"....

Bruce Parker... the carrier I have to restore was only a few off from yours.... so what color have you determined it should be?

Do you have a chip to send me to match???

Ben · #3 13-12-14, 16:43

Rick, I can't post the mix as Cromadex did that. I just buy the tins to my ratio. If you need it just give me a shout. I guess the Northampton depot will tell the one up your way and mix it for you. Failing that you could order it and I could send it up.
I could spray a bit on a sample to post up??? You could check it next to your carrier that way.

Ron Pier · #4 13-12-14, 17:45

I post these pictures purely as a colour guide and a rough indication through the lens of a camera in different lights. This particular bike came to me in hand painted black. but inside and underneath everything was clean, unmolested 1940 KG. The headlamp shell is original KG (not the rim). I'm not boasting when I say that the colour I mixed was spot on. I even have a swatch from Lex Schmidt in NL who has research KG3 for the fleet of Big 4's that he and friends own, and it's almost the same colour as mine.

We seem to associate military vehicles with Army Green, all my Dinky toys as a kid were green. But it seems to me that there was an awful lot of light to mid greeny brown, even more earth or service brown and ending up with Olive Green towards the end of things. Ron

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #5 13-12-14, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Ron Pier

We seem to associate military vehicles with Army Green, all my Dinky toys as a kid were green. But it seems to me that there was an awful lot of light to mid greeny brown, even more earth or service brown and ending up with Olive Green towards the end of things. Ron

Associating colour is a bias. In Canada almost all CMP's, if they weren't painted red, were not their original khaki or brown. They had been repainted a 1950's era gloss black green as per M series vehicles. It was so common that many took it for granted CMP's should be dark green and questioned if they saw one in an original colour.

chris vickery · #6 13-12-14, 22:12

The colour arguement goes round and round and I suspect it always will.
Doesn't matter if it is the Jeep police or any other group in the MV hobby.
I think one of the main issues is in making a determination as to when and where colours were changed. Then there is the issue of one manufacturer to another.
The problem with using old paint chips to colour match is the fact that even the colour on NOS parts has deteriorated with time.
I would suspect that the truest way to achieve original colours would be to obtain original chemical formulations. Even the bases would require original composition, not to mention the exact mixes.
Somewhere I have an original formula for Lightstone which needed to be calculated into modern measures.
Back in the 40's CIL used a measurement called "dial" which does not translate exactly into today's measurements.

Ron Pier · #7 13-12-14, 23:25

I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just pointing out my own observations. You've reiterated what I've said about variations in shades from different manufacturers. Not to mention mixing old stock colours with new.

I needed to respray a vehicle panel recently and found that I have seven partly used tins of BS 298 Olive drab from different firms and none of them match at all!! Seriously! If modern firms can't get it the same by using the same formula, what chance is there of getting a match from a 70 year old recipe?

My advice is to chose a colour that you like and get it mixed as near as poss, but get enough done for future use. My experience is that the same firm using the same formula will give you a different shade.

It's the same with household paint from B&Q.

Ron