AWM acquisition?

[Private_collector]

These are all the photos I have. Taken over a couple of years, either on ANZAC day or at the MJCQ event at Canungra, QLD.
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[Private_collector]

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[Private_collector]

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Thats all of them.

[Lynn Eades]

Ed, The CMP to the average Australian is a "Blitz". This has been the case since WWII.
While talking about names. The Universal carrier is almost always referred to as a Bren carrier (by your countrymen and mine) It isn't right but it's a tide I doubt we can turn.
I do agree that a museum should be making an effort to correctly identify a particular exhibit, but then for joe average who only knows these things by a nickname, it is also important to tie the two together.
This is always going to be a battle and I find it particularly annoying when a vehicle is knowingly labelled (for many years) as something else. A crime made worse when it is a reputable (national) museum. At least for me this particular vehicle is now not on display (which is worse! )
I do like the fact that you bang away at this stuff, because someone needs to.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Private_collector

These are all the photos I have. Taken over a couple of years, either on ANZAC day or at the MJCQ event at Canungra, QLD.

Fabulous pics Tony, thanks for posting. I've saved them to file where I can drool over them at leisure!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

This is one of the earliest FAT's I can find, a Guy Quad Ant:

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[Keith Webb]

Nobody would believe you if you turned up in something looking like that!

But it's genuine and looks pretty interesting.

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This is one of the earliest FAT's I can find, a Guy Quad Ant:

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[Lynn Eades]

I think we should call it a Dung Beetle?(I think there's already a Scarab?)

I wonder if the nick name sticks?????

Hanno, how can it be a FAT? It's a GAQ (that's never going to go viral)

[Tony Mathers]

This should answer a few questions.

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Reference to the design shape is contained in a Mechanisation Board minute featured in Ventham and Fletcher’s Moving the guns : the mechanisation of the Royal Artillery, 1854-1939, p81. shown above.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Tony Mathers

This should answer a few questions.

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Reference to the design shape is contained in a Mechanisation Board minute featured in Ventham and Fletcher’s Moving the guns : the mechanisation of the Royal Artillery, 1854-1939, p81. shown above.

I would suggest that the anti-gas feature was simply making the body all metal, as opposed to it's "beetle" shape. In the end, the vast majority of CMPs were of all metal construction.

I note the author also has the evolution of the spare tire and platform mounted on the back in their reversed order of occurrence. Mounting the tires onto the back came later, after the run-flat tires were replaced with regular tires to conserve rubber. I think you would need all six men to get a 20" runflat up onto that back, and I'm not sure the weight would have been good for the truck nor the operators having to lift it.

Perhaps this was the wrong book to quote for the museum's interpretive panel.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

I think we should call it a Dung Beetle?(I think there's already a Scarab?)

I wonder if the nick name sticks?????

Hanno, how can it be a FAT? It's a GAQ (that's never going to go viral)

The Guy was listed as Tractor 4x4 and built under Contract No. V3245 for 16 vehicles, they were listed as 'less winch' and 'with winch', so looks like they were probably trials vehicles as later on Guy was to supply the Quad Ant FAT which also had the 'beetleback' style body as the Morris Commercial, and it is from these that the CMP FAT's were spawned.

Lynn, you may not know, but when the WD were trialing the 15cwt 4x2 trucks in late Thirties, Commer was a contender along with Bedford, Morris, etc. and the name of the Commer ........ Beetle!

I think the name 'beetleback' goes back a long way when referring to the Morris Commercial C8 FAT, probably back to service days, much the same as the names for Scammell Pioneer ... Coffeepot and AEC Militant Mk1 ...... Knocker. Most FAT's were referred to as plain Quads over here and I can remember my father saying that in the Fifties, when we regularly saw demobbed ones working on erecting precast concrete barns around the country.

[Mike K]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Lynn, you may not know, but when the WD were trialing the 15cwt 4x2 trucks in late Thirties, Commer was a contender along with Bedford, Morris, etc. and the name of the Commer ........ Beetle

The trials were held after the Morris 15 cwt was already in production , the prototype Morris being built in 1934 . The other brands were on trial , not the Morris

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Nobody would believe you if you turned up in something looking like that!

But it's genuine and looks pretty interesting.

It all looks quite Heath-Robinsonesque, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Hanno, how can it be a FAT? It's a GAQ (that's never going to go viral)

You mean GQA?

For other readers: FAT stands for Field Artillery Tractor, the name of the type of vehicle. Chevrolet built the CGT, Ford the FGT, etc., etc., all FAT's.

[Tim Bell]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This is one of the earliest FAT's I can find, a Guy Quad Ant:

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Have a manual for that somewhere.

[Mike K]

That Guy looks like a Kubelwagen on steroids .

Guy Ant, Lizard, Vixant .. maybe its a Superant !

[Tim Lovelock]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This is one of the earliest FAT's I can find, a Guy Quad Ant:

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Am I mistaken or are the body sides wood?

[Lynn Eades]

Yes Tim, I believe we are looking at wood. It was a commonly used material at that time in British vehicles.

[Tim Lovelock]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Yes Tim, I believe we are looking at wood. It was a commonly used material at that time in British vehicles.

Thanks, Lynn,