Supplied Air Mask for Painting?

[Jes Andersen]

Thanks for all the feedback. One of the reasons I asked here is that most of us do a bit of everything in our hobby. I have never used a welding respirator but am beginning to think it might be wise. A recent illness has left me with concerns about breathing in all that stuff that I used to. I like Phil's homebuilt setup and think I could come up with something that would work well. There are filters available that could be incorporated for that extra step. The units I have seen available locally are HobbyAir and one that KMS Tools sells. The Hobby air is a turbine and the one KMS sells has a compressor at double the price. I have not checked with the body shop suppliers but know that this gets expensive. I do have both a half mask and a full face. I don't wear glasses any more, so can use the half mask. I spent a bit of time with the paint supplier on Friday and after much discussion, they felt I would be ok with the full mask. I pulled the MSDS on some of the paints we discussed, and as Rob mentioned they require a supplied air setup. 3M has a changeout schedule for cartridges and if followed one should be pretty safe with most products. The problem is once you smell the paint, you are already exposed. Fit, as mentioned is a problem and I have always had trouble getting even cheap masks to seal.

I would send this out to get done but its all apart, heavy and on a small island without ferry service. To top it off I miss the tractor for its heavy lift ability. Maybe a roller and brush will work

[chris vickery]

Jes
I never knew much about fit testing until I actually went for one. We were assigned to work at Koch fertilizer in Brandon MB. As Rob L will attest, this place is basically a death trap where everything can and will kill you. They are makers of very nasty items like Anhydrous ammonia to name but one...
When I went through a fit test the representative at the safety supply in Toronto actually puts you through a video presentation, followed by a knowledge test. They try different masks on you to determine the best fit. The mask is hooked up to a computer and air system which checks various items. You are exposed to a smoke test. Once all this is done you are basically ready to don and use respiratory protection.
The one issue that surprised me was actually how snug a respirator should be while worn. Tight actually. I think too often the home mechanic thinks he is doing good but is actually doing very little. A bad seal is the same as none.
And forget those cheapie P95 white dust masks- they are only good for nuisance dusts, eg saw dust, dirt etc.
As far as life expectancy of filters, it all depends on use. My 3M half mask uses the charcoal cartridges as well as snap on pre-filters. The pre-filters grab the large particulate matter to keep the charcoal from getting clogged up quickly. The charcoal provides the chemical vapor filtration. Correct filter selection is vital- the wrong filter can kill.
The worst thing for the life of any mask is improper or no maintenance. After each use, the filters should be removed. The mask itself should be washed in mild detergent and allowed to air dry. After, the mask should go back inside the plastic bag it came in. The filters should be allowed to dry. The pre-filters should be removed and shaken or blown out and replaced if they are heavily contaminated. Most filters also have a place on them to write in the service date. If in doubt, replace them. Filters are relatively inexpensive. I store the filters in a Ziploc bag along with the face piece. Some companies actually provide a nice fabric carrying pouch to put it all in but it is always advisable to put into the plastic bag, then into the storage pouch.

[rob love]

Smelling the paint is one thing...it has an odour that warns you that the filters are saturated and no longer working. Isocyanates have poor warning properties so the problem is you won't know that the filter is no longer purifying the air.

Accepting that a pair of filters is going to be the cost of doing a paint job with paints containing hardeners may be the best solution. While 3M and others have a schedule for the length of life of the filter vs PPM exposure, we in the hobby are not likely to have the equipment required to measure the PPM in the air.

Chris

I agree 110% about that plant on the edge of Brandon. Why they couldn't have built it 20 miles out of town is a puzzle to me. It has the potential to ne day make international headlines.

Just had my fit test about 2 weeks ago by the way.