Ford CMP Found

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

It's been a long time since I've found a new (to me) CMP while driving. This late war Ford sits abandoned beside a vacant building in Harbour Grace, Newfoundland on Canada's east cost. The sea air and time has unfortunately taken its toll. The same town has the C-47 that serviced the community for decades as a plinth monument.

[cletrac (RIP)]

It's all chained up and ready for anything-------but it's been a long wait!!

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Made in 1943 says the plaque.

[Ryan]

Nice find.
Always a good feeling discovering something new.

[Robert Bergeron]

The engine is a Ford Flathead , But.. are not those wheel hubs Chevy ?

[Eric Korhonen]

One of my cmp's has the same hubs on it and it is a Ford. I also have a spare diff which is a Ford and is the same.

Eric

[Lauren Child]

Same hubs on my late Ford. Also same stirrup steps

In fact, is that a three position transfer box lever?

Starting to wonder if we've got an F22 here? Can you spot where the battery box is?

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by Robert Bergeron

The engine is a Ford Flathead , But.. are not those wheel hubs Chevy ?

Hi Robert,

I think those hub caps are called sling caps and were fitted to Ford CMP's also. I had a Ford F15A parts truck with them fitted. I thought they were used to attach wire slings for loading the vehicles onto a ship but I have heard of other uses for them.

Perhaps another person can confirm or shed some light on their actual purpose.

Cheers,

[Jacques Reed]

Yesterday I thought it would be easy to find a photo of a CMP truck being loaded/unloaded from a WW2 merchant ship using the sling caps as I mentioned in above post. Being an old merchant mariner that would be right up my alley.

Well, a couple hours spent searching the net and the closest I could find was this one of an Australian Army ACCO being unloaded from HMAS Jeparit at Vung Tau during the Vietnam War. Although not a CMP it at least shows how it is done with the special hub caps.

It is being handled as I mentioned by lifting from the axles with the sling caps on the wheel hubs to hold the wire rope slings on. The spreaders prevent damage to the body and cab.

Does anyone have a photo of a CMP being loaded or unloaded from a vessel by this method during WW2? Would be great to see one.

Cheers,

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Jacques Reed

Yesterday I thought it would be easy to find a photo of a CMP truck being loaded/unloaded from a WW2 merchant ship using the sling caps as I mentioned in above post. Being an old merchant mariner that would be right up my alley.

Does anyone have a photo of a CMP being loaded or unloaded from a vessel by this method during WW2? Would be great to see one.

Cheers,

I have two photos showing cargo nets around the wheels and cables to the towing rings but none showing lifting from the wheel hubs as per the Inter above.

Lifting rings on CMP wheels only came into use with late model CMP's prob 1944/45 manufacture. Earlier one's did not have them.

[Jacques Reed]

Hi Cliff,

the later war ones fitted with the sling caps makes sense. the F15A I had that had them was Sept 1944 build based on the data plate.

Cargo nets under the wheels seemed to be the go earlier in the war as the attached photo shows of a vehicle being unloaded in Singapore. Perhaps a few rotted cargo nets and dropped vehicles gave rise to the later method.

Cheers,

[maple_leaf_eh]

As per photo, whatever works. The issue I see is the vehicle has to move off the netting somehow so the hoist can be used for the next vehicle in queue.

[Lauren Child]

Originally Posted by Lauren Child

Same hubs on my late Ford. Also same stirrup steps

In fact, is that a three position transfer box lever?

Starting to wonder if we've got an F22 here? Can you spot where the battery box is?

Sorry to bump this one, but I think you may have found something very special.

[Lauren Child]

Another bump - is anyone close enough to get any more pictures?

[Keith Webb]

As mentioned these are the normal fitment to 3-ton CMPs from 1944 on that we see in Australia. Here's a photo I took around 1973 of a 1944 Ford F60S tipper still in use back then.

The photos of the found truck at the start of the thread are not of a F22 model as that was on the 101 1/4" wheelbase.

Come to Australia to see tons more of them!

[Lauren Child]

Thanks Keith, but it's not the hubcaps that I'm interested in. The truck at the top of the thread has:

- small wheelbase
- stirrup steps
- late features (like the hubs)
- what looks like the same odd transfer box lever

all of which is starting to add up to a potential F22.

If someone local can check whether:
a) it's got an internal battery box
b) it is indeed a 3 position transfer box lever

then we'll know for sure

[Keith Webb]

So it has, now I've had a better look at the side image and seen where the rear spring hanger is, I think you could be correct about the F22 diagnosis.

Originally Posted by Lauren Child

Thanks Keith, but it's not the hubcaps that I'm interested in. The truck at the top of the thread has:

- small wheelbase
- stirrup steps
- late features (like the hubs)
- what looks like the same odd transfer box lever

all of which is starting to add up to a potential F22.

If someone local can check whether:
a) it's got an internal battery box
b) it is indeed a 3 position transfer box lever

then we'll know for sure

[Lauren Child]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

So it has, now I've had a better look at the side image and seen where the rear spring hanger is, I think you could be correct about the F22 diagnosis.