WHY? or alternate title: Can one of you Brits explain this to me?

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Bruce, in Britain's defence, that hideously grotesque, user unfriendly, engineering nightmare, called a grease gun, was probably conceived during a rubber shortage.
Its primary function was to distract German engineers from their work, while they pondered what it was and how to use it.

Ah-ha...it makes perfect sense!!! And any collateral pondering by colonial troops wondering the same thing as those German engineers was a small, manageable price to pay. Devilishly ingenious.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Bruce, in Britain's defence, that hideously grotesque, user unfriendly, engineering nightmare, called a grease gun, was probably conceived during a rubber shortage.
Its primary function was to distract German engineers from their work, while they pondered what it was and how to use it.

I have a feeling this grease pump is a postwar item and part of the kit for a tank (maybe Cent?) and that is why the pipe line is designed in such a way that it stowed neatly.

[Lauren Child]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

I have a feeling this grease pump is a postwar item and part of the kit for a tank (maybe Cent?) and that is why the pipe line is designed in such a way that it stowed neatly.

I think we may both be right - Cents also used the Andy (or at least some did).

[Lynn Eades]

Lauren, you can't stop at that! (have I been set up?) What's an Andy?

[Lauren Child]

It's a big-ass grease gun that squirts at very high pressure - I'll take a pic tonight and upload it. You can use grease or oil.

It's called an Andy 5000, but people also seem to call them Oddy (and in some if the formal docs) so I'd imagine that's another brand.

[Lauren Child]

Blimey, it turns out that the picture actually shows an Oddy, and the Andy is an alternative type!

http://www.collectorssource.com/oddy...rion-tank.html

[Richard Farrant]

In the 1951 issue of 6MT15 Vocab, there are two Oddy pumps listed, first one is Pump, High Pressure, Grease TT/H9491 as issued to Amphibian tracked, Neptune.
Then there is another with same manufacturers type number of TT/H9491, but listed as 'modified', the notable difference is in one of the demandable components, Pipe, Articulated Assy. This would be a good description of the folding pipe.

Standby for the Colonials to post their jokes

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

Standby for the Colonials to post their jokes

(no more maple syrup and hockey for you)

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

(no more maple syrup and hockey for you)

Ha ha Bruce, not going to rise to the bait here, anyway only girls play hockey in this country.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

anyway only girls play hockey in this country.

Wars have been started over less......

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

In the 1951 issue of 6MT15 Vocab, there are two Oddy pumps listed, first one is Pump, High Pressure, Grease TT/H9491 as issued to Amphibian tracked, Neptune.
Then there is another with same manufacturers type number of TT/H9491, but listed as 'modified', the notable difference is in one of the demandable components, Pipe, Articulated Assy. This would be a good description of the folding pipe.

Standby for the Colonials to post their jokes

Not sure making guys use 20 pound grease guns is something that should be joked about.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by rob love

Not sure making guys use 20 pound grease guns is something that should be joked about.

I can tell you from experience I would rather have a large grease gun like this than keep filling a small one, that is something not to joke about

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

I can tell you from experience I would rather have a large grease gun like this than keep filling a small one, that is something not to joke about

And the multi-knuckles steel hose?

Well I am open to learning. What kind of pressures were achieved with this massive device, bearing in mind a regular grease gun can put out 3000 psi, and Llincoln makes guns that go to 7000 psi?

As to hauling around that or extra cartridges, I think I'll stick with the cartridges. Then again, many, many times in the military you were refilling from a 5 gallon pail of grease, and that could be a messy task if you didn't know what you were doing.

What was the capacity of the oddy that justified it's weight and complexity? Have you used them much Richard?

I must admit is certainly looks rugged enough.

[Lauren Child]

Here you go, this is a (rather dusty) Andy 5000

[Lauren Child]

Foot and handle extend for leverage.

[Lauren Child]

Data plate - hope that helps Lynn!

[Lauren Child]

This looks like the modern version of it - http://www.alemite.com/Admin/_resour...ucketpumps.pdf


And a better photo at the AWM https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL38709/?image=1

Note this is an example of an Andy being called an Oddy

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by rob love

What was the capacity of the oddy that justified it's weight and complexity? Have you used them much Richard?

I must admit is certainly looks rugged enough.

Rob,
Not used the Oddy, but do have an Andy pump as Lauren has posted photos of, and this takes the standard 7 pound grease tin, which is quite a few cartridges. I have converted mine to use as an oil pump for filling wheel stations, bevel boxes, etc on things like Ferret, Dingo, Saracen, etc and it is ideal for that.

[Lynn Eades]

Thank you Lauren and Richard for educating me on Oddys and Andys.

Brains full.

[Robin Craig]

Rob,

If you are looking to tidy out the shed I am more than willing to set aside funds to buy the grease gun.

Second, may I use your pictures of the folding suitcase filter over on HMVF please with credit?

[rob love]

Robin

The grease gun is actually listed on collectors source website. They are located in Acton Ontario, so not terribly far from you.

Feel free to use the photos, either with or without credit. As far as I am concerned, once on the web they are public domain.

[Tim Bell]

Anyone know of any of these Fuel Funnel kits for sale please... I suspect it is a bit of kit I will find useful in a couple of years time... so now's a good time to start looking.

Cheers

Tim

[David Herbert]

I have only just found this thread so sorry if I am a bit late but the point of the suitcase fuel funnel is that holding twenty jerry cans while they empty is very hard on your back. Just up-ending a full can into the funnel is a luxury. A non folding funnel would take up more stowage space and get full of dirt when not in use. Us Brits may be crap at production engineering but we are good at ingenious devices.

Tim, these are not too hard to find in the UK, just keep an eye open at Malvern / Stoneleigh and Ebay of course. The rubber hoses sometimes have old age cracking but there are good ones out there.

David

[45jim]

When the "flimsy" was in use it had no ability to mount a spout and required a funnel. Expedient funnels and hoppers were made and distributed by REME in the Western desert to speed up the fuelling of vehicles and aircraft. A properly "engineered" hopper was designed in Britain just as the "Jerry can' was being copied by the Brits. The hopper was then suitably over-engineered to accept the "Flimsy" pol can and the new "Jerry Can".

There is nothing wrong with British engineering in fact, the British love engineering.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by 45jim

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There is nothing wrong with British engineering in fact, the British love engineering.

That's because a lot of us (of a certain age!) were brought up with Meccano.

[Lynn Eades]

Yes Richard, probably my most revered Christmas present. We wont talk about it being made in France.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Yes Richard, probably my most revered Christmas present. We wont talk about it being made in France.

France? I did not know that. My first lot would have been my father's then added to with new sets, had gear sets, chain drive and clockwork motors, all made in Liverpool at that time. Kept me amused for hours!

[Russ Gregg]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Yes Richard, probably my most revered Christmas present. We wont talk about it being made in France.

Now that's opening an engineering can of worms.
I may be re-quoting myself but;
You know you are in Heaven when the British are the police, the French are the cooks and the Germans are the engineers, and you know you are in Hell when the Germans are the police the British are the cooks and the French are the engineers.

Take a close look at a Citroen 2CV sometime, definitely unique but possibly the most ridiculous vehicle ever made in volume (and yes I am patriotically choosing to ignore the Reliant Robin as a mass production vehicle).

Really enjoyed this thread. I think the clever bit of the Oddy is that it probably reaches 90% of the grease fittings from only 2 or 3 locations and allows you to pump it on the ground instead of in whatever awkward position you had to get in to connect it. Two guys could make good time with this.

[David Herbert]

Originally Posted by Russ Gregg

I think the clever bit of the Oddy is that it probably reaches 90% of the grease fittings from only 2 or 3 locations and allows you to pump it on the ground instead of in whatever awkward position you had to get in to connect it. Two guys could make good time with this.

Yes, well put, also British tracked vehicles up to Chieftain used grease as a sort of consumable dirt/mud seal that relied on being renewed every day when working in bad conditions. That used an enormous amount of grease that you couldn't possibly have provided with a normal gun unless you had two, with a guy doing nothing but filling while another guy pumped grease into hubs. Certainly Oddys are prized by those of us in the UK who have them - pointless for a Landrover but brilliant for a large truck or a tank.

David