Cdn Army M-38 A-1 Jeep in UN colours, with .30 Cal Browning MG on pintle mount....

[Chris Preston]

Thanks for the replies Rob and Grant - very interesting, particularly with respect to the "Z" mounting. AS Grant said - if we're going to do it, lets do it correctly.

Cheers,

Chris

[Wayne Hingley]

Originally Posted by Chris Preston

...very interesting, particularly with respect to the "Z" mounting. AS Grant said - if we're going to do it, lets do it correctly.

Hi Chris. See this link to another thread: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=23790

In short; there was a discussion about Z-mounts, and whether or not they were ever used on UN M38A1's. Apparently no photos have ever shown it in use on a UN jeep. Maybe something will surface...

[rob love]

There were 4 of the pedestal mounts on charge with 2VP right until the late 90s. They were redundant by then, and even in the 80s, they were not installed on any of the unit's M38A1s.

The side arm was a fairly late item, and was meant for the militia light armoured recce jeeps.

[Grant Hopkins]

I've looked through that thead in the past too. Perhaps I should specify I have not seen a Canadian M38A1 with anything other than a recoiless or a Z arm mounted in an in service photo. I've only seen one pic of a Canadian M38 with a .50 in the pedestal and I don't know the details to be sure it wasn't a reenactment group. I don't have a copy of the service publications M38A1 book, does anyone know if it includes such a photo?

[Chris Preston]

'Evening All,

Further to my original post and all the replies to it - Thanks very much for those, would anyone have a clear schematic drawing with dimensions of an M31C mounting for a .30 Cal Browning MG, or know of someone who has one they'ed be willing to part with?

Cheers,

Chris, in Victoria, BC

[Tom Clark]

In the the hobby you soon learn to do it right the first time as it costs the same and takes just as long usually if you do it wrong. Have checked all resources I can and haven't been able to substantiate a Canadian Army UN marked jeep with a pedistle mount 30 or 50 Cal. I would encourage removing it to maintain the integrity of the museum unless it can be supported by some form of documentation. Although it does look cool it's not correct from what my research has shown to date
For what it's worth

[Wayne Hingley]

Originally Posted by Tom Clark

... Have checked all resources I can and haven't been able to substantiate a Canadian Army UN marked jeep with a pedistle mount 30 or 50 Cal. I would encourage removing it to maintain the integrity of the museum unless it can be supported by some form of documentation. Although it does look cool it's not correct from what my research has shown to date
For what it's worth

I have the exact same thoughts, especially since it is a museum piece, and should accurately depict the reality of those UN vehicles.

[Ed Storey]

The M31C Mount was an interesting M38A1CDN accessory that in Canadian service was not intended to be used with the M1919A4 .30 cal but with the M2 .50 cal. I have yet to find any evidence of the M31C mount being used on a UN mission. Both photos are from CAMT 7-30.

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