CADC selling M151A2

[rob love]

Selling price is listed at $10,012. Someone wanted it twice as bad as I did.

Of course, the M151A2s were not supposed to be sold to the public by DND. It would seem enough years passed that nobody remembers this direction.

So somebody has, I believe, the only Canadian M151A2 that was actually sold as a vehicle as opposed to salvage.

[Ed Storey]

Let us just hope that whoever bought it appreciates what they have and don't do anything silly like turn into some sort of fantasy vehicle.

[rob love]

I suspect whoever bid 10K for it knows what they are buying, especially considering the engine is in pieces and the rear diff has the yoke and bearing cap off it. Something isn't right about the roll cage either....it appears to have been solidly welded to it's mounts. No doubt there will be a myriad of little pieces gone or worn, but in the end, it is a nice uncut body. I don't even see the usual rust holes through the front crossmembers. If the mileage given of around 7000 is correct, it may have lots of potential.


What worries me is if an American bought it and is bringing it South. All it's Canadian identity will likely be erased.

The M151A2 is a demill Q, The Demilitarization Code (DMC) of 'Q' is assigned to items that are not controlled under the Defense Production Act (DPA), but are listed on the Export Control List (ECL), Group 1, Group 2, Group 5 (article 5504) or Group 6 or found in the US Commerce Control List (CCL) 500 or 600 series. Destruction is a requirement unless the items can be transferred to an authorized person.

[maple_leaf_eh]

I low bid to track the sale. I had to factor in travelling 4 days out and 4 days back dragging a ton and a half of awkward steel. Working in January on the Prairies.

[jim fraser (RIP)]

i also bid.not quite near that bid.rob i had three mi51a2 uncut directly from crown assets.regards jim.

[rob love]

I had thirty, but with the provisio that I could remove any parts I wanted, but the bodies had to be destroyed under DND witness. Did you get to keep yours as M151A2s?

[jim fraser (RIP)]

yes.had 3 others no title.regards jim.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by rob love

So somebody has, I believe, the only Canadian M151A2 that was actually sold as a vehicle as opposed to salvage.

I that case we should save the info here before it disappears from the gcsurplus website:

Information Item: 1974 AM General Corporation Jeep M151A2 Jeep
Closing Date: 18-January-2017 @ 4:25 p.m. EASTERN TIME

Vehicle Options and Features:
Specifications
Year: 1974
Make: AM General Corporation Jeep
Model: M151A2
Trim:Jeep
VIN/Serial Number: 45063
Odometer: 7779 KM
Observations:
Features:
Exterior: Green
Tires:
Make: Goodyear
Size: 7.00-16LW

Known Problems

• Tow required
• No keys
• Missing parts of the engine
• Comes with some spare parts
• Exterior has numerous dents, scratches and rust
• Canvass in the back - condition unknown
• No history available on this unit
• Viewing is highly recommended prior to purchasing.
• It is the buyer’s responsibility to verify that all the data meets their specific needs, requirements and expectations.
• For more information, please contact Tamsin Hatch at (403) 544-4218 or email tamsin.hatch@forces.gc.ca

• Vehicle does not run
• Vehicle is sold used, without mechanical inspection, and may require unknown repairs
• We have no history regarding the overall condition

1974 AM General Jeep - Scrap Repairable


Additional Comments:
Registration

1. This vehicle has never been registered therefore a provincial safety inspection is required
2. If you are purchasing a vehicle for export, please contact the manufacturer with the VIN to ensure the vehicle meets import requirements for the country of destination PRIOR to placing a bid.

Inspection and Pick-up

1. Viewing is highly recommended prior to bidding
2. Hours of operation are 08:00 am to 3:30 pm Monday to Thursday
3. No pick ups or viewings on Fridays
4. 24 Hours notice is required for viewing and pick up of items

Location of Asset(s): Base Commander
CFB Suffield
G4 Supply
Suffield , AB T0J 2N0

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[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

Did anybody find out if it sold and if so, how much?

Cheers Phil

[rob love]

$5,779.99, which beat my bid of 5,432.50.

[Robert Bergeron]

I am going to stir a hornet's nest here : Where they really any better than the Iltis ? Don't shoot the messenger here !

[rob love]

The M151A2 had a very smooth cross country ride with it's independent suspension. The only cross country vehicle that was smoother (that I have found) would be the Humvwee. It was a true M-series vehicle so had good commonality between the other M series like the M38 family, the APCs, the deuce etc. They were simple to work on, had good highway speed, and a modern engine. As with most vehicles though, the good highway speed = a little poorer performance when you wanted to climb a hill. It was hard to compete against the 5.38 gearing of the Willys Jeeps. The I***s on the other hand, you could lock in 3 of the 4 wheels, but it would then bog down on flat ground if there was loose sand or snow and you were towing a trailer. They were geared towards highway use it would seem.

The M151A2 had it's weaknesses, as do all vehicles. The U joints had to be greased, and there were 12 of them. The bearings had to be set properly. The rear suspension mounting points were prone to wear, causing the vehicle to be a little unstable if the problem wasn't detected. The transmission/transfer case were a little weak.

Of the 30 that I bought back in the day, only 4 of them had their engines replaced in service. The other 26 were still on their original motors. Then again, they only served for about 11-12 years, whereas the earlier CDN 2 Jeeps were nearing 20 years of service.

I know the above comparison doesn't mention the I***s much....too early in the morning to start down that road.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Robert

Not a bad question, and it will be interesting to see what peoples responses are. Particularly now that both vehicles are out of military service and into the restoration arena.

They have both been replaced under a totally different philosophy of what a military vehicle is supposed be and how it does it.

Cheers Phil

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Robert Bergeron

I am going to stir a hornet's nest here : Where they really any better than the Iltis ? Don't shoot the messenger here !

The Iltis has a narrower track than the M-series vehicles. It could go into more places, but I watched one get remarkably well stuck crossing a tank rut. The short wheelbase give the Iltis a rocking horse ride. The M151A2 has a more car like ride.

The Iltis has soft seats covered in vinyl vs the M-series' horsehair and canvas over wire coils. I preferred the M38A1 passenger seat because you can take it out and sit on at ground level while going in and out of the back. The M38A1 seat is not adjustable. The M151A2 has two positions. The Iltis is on a slide and has a seat back adjustment too. So, for that alone, it is better.

The roll cage on the M151A2 becomes a structural member after a certain amount of rust and body flexing. There are 6 posts. The Iltis cage is less strong and is less protection during off-angle rolls. It has one big hoop and angled rear supports. Both are better than the nothing but the windshield frame on the M38A1.

The first horizontal edge under the M151A2 behind the wheels is a 1" cross section at the angle of the front footwell. That surface has been pounded on mine, and every cross member all along the underside is flattened, dented, torn or full of historic mud from hitting rocks and obstacles. Yes, there was an in-service reinforcing patch kit that doubles up the thickness on those wear surfaces, but they are patches over sheet metal, not conventional frame parts. The M38A1 has a proper frame to carry the vehicle. I don't recall the underside of the Iltis, but recall it is fairly smooth more like a VW Bug.

The batteries were placed in progressively more awkward locations as the models progressed. The M38A1 CDN1 had thumbscrews that were easy to forget. The CDN2 and 3 had a flip catch to get into the battery box which is handy in front near the firewall. The M151A2's are under the passenger seat, but still relatively easy to access. The Iltis is under the back seat (?) or the rear floor (?) and the doors are always under other stuff.

I think the mirrors on the Iltis were the best of all 1/4 tons. Easy to see and stay adjusted, and as I recall fairly big.

[rob love]

Iltis mirrors also worked the bottom mount loose and would rattle so bad you couldn't see anything. You then had to replace the mirror with arm which was considerable more expensive that a M-series mirror.