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Old 25-06-18, 03:10
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I need the seal that does the driveshaft. Part # A-250047

If you have that then we may be able to deal.
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Old 25-06-18, 03:17
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I've always found that topography or the crown of the road (and where you were relative to it) had a great deal to do with how a carrier drifted. But I speak only for Bren carriers as I've never piloted a T16.
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Old 25-06-18, 03:20
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Sorry, can't help with that one. What I have are A-333947 and two are required per vehicle. If you have any traces of oil in your axle shafts, then you would need them as the pressure ruined them all. Never seen the seal you are looking for and the ones that I have are the only source for them as they were a T-16 special pattern that nobody else has.

Best option will probably be building a seal from leather and making sure you don't overfill the pumpkin. Also verify that breather is functional.

Good luck, having completely rebuilt mine in the past, its some heavy lifting.
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Old 25-06-18, 08:10
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Interesting question about track pulling to one side or the other. We had this problem on a Tank and even went as far as swapping tracks over from one side to the other, and even marking the final drive to make sure there was not a different ratio. Turned out that one side had an extra link, even though I am pretty sure we set both tracks up with the lineal length the same on both sides. Once we had taken the link out, we also "quartered" the track as well to achieve the correct lineal lengths. Tracks worked perfect after this.
We also run a M113, which has 64 links on one side and 63 on the other, and this is factory setup. Not entirely sure why they did this, whether it was for road camber? , but it is a bastard driving down our roads and it pulls to the left, but we drive on the left hand side, so is it the camber doing this? if I was in the good old US of A, where they were made , I would be on the other side of the road and it would be driving straight?Cheers Andrew.
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Old 25-06-18, 13:58
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We also run a M113, which has 64 links on one side and 63 on the other, and this is factory setup. Not entirely sure why they did this, whether it was for road camber? , but it is a bastard driving down our roads and it pulls to the left, but we drive on the left hand side, so is it the camber doing this? if I was in the good old US of A, where they were made , I would be on the other side of the road and it would be driving straight?Cheers Andrew.
It is because the torsion bars are offset from left to right, so it ends up making things a little longer on one side than the other. Note that the final drives and the idlers are lined up.

Mathematically, it shouldn't make very little difference. End of the day, the sprocket teeth are a certain distance from each other, and they drive the track one pad at a time. The amount of stretch on the track is important, and this is where the problems will occur. It is one reason why the proper track tension is so important. There is a certain amount of stretch with rubber bushed track. In the end, the two rubber bushings on that one extra track pad will add very little distance overall.

I recall in my younger days driving the M113A2s from Shilo to Winnipeg and vice versa. They did not drive in a straight line, and one arm got very tired constantly pulling and releasing the one tiller bar. You could not drag on the bar for a long period as it would cause the differential to overheat.
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Old 26-06-18, 01:05
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The back of my machine is now the front and it steers to the left as I am driving the new "forward". The oil leaked after a good hour of hard driving and I am blaming it on overheating. I drove it again the next day for an hour of less heavy steering and there was minimal leaking. Gear oil on the floor is terrible to clean up.....
For the rest of you I will certainly be counting track pins tonight. I can pull a link if that works out to be the problem. As for laying out the track to measure it that will need to wait until I have some help.
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For anyone in the Edmonton area looking for a machine of metal shop I can recommend the ones I used, that barrel is a complete fab job and I think it fits/looks the part pretty dam good.
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Old 26-06-18, 01:57
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Perhaps some of the more modern synthetic oils will have a higher boiling point.

Most pinion gears are cut for forward movement. So there may be a little extra heat created by the gears. Also, how is the pump set up on the T-16 differential cooler. Is it trying to pick up oil from the dump side and pump it into the bottom of the diff? Just spitballing here...I have minimal experience with the T-16, but I do know that those diffs were used on snow machines like the Nodwells and have seen them with 8.2 liter detroit diesels powering them.
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Old 26-06-18, 16:10
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Does the seal surface on the Pinion have spiral groove to encourage oil back into the diff under normal rotation, but tend to drive it out past the seal in your reverse rotation application?

This feature appears on various Ford shafts, bushes and seal surfaces from the 40's, but is more usually seen with felt seals than leather.
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Old 25-06-18, 08:13
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Here it is Charlie.
1. from Australian worksop manual
2 from British manual (Chilwell 63/63)
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Old 25-06-18, 11:58
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Well I learn summit new every day. Many thanks, Lynn. I'll try find that in the Cdn Books

RE: oil leaking.

If I'm not mistaken, the back of your machine is now the front?
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