WS 19 in a Mk2 carrier

universalgrl · #1 11-03-19, 20:09

The mount shown in pictures 3 and 4 is a WS-29 set mount as shown in "Installation Instructions Wireless Set No. 29 kits installation AFV Ns. 101,0102 and 104". Pictures on page 18,20,23, and 57 part number ZA/CAN 2384 Plates, adaptor, Carrier, No. C1. This plate was also used to carry the charging set. My scanner died so I can't post pics.

ajmac · #2 13-03-19, 13:16

Does anyone have any information regarding the fitment of either WS22 or WS19 in Loyd Carriers? All TT Loyd left the factory with an Ariel base mounting plate fitted at the front left of the upper hull and in 4.2" Mortar stowage diagrams a WS22 is mentioned as located in this same area of the vehicle. However discussions with other Loyd owners has suggested that this may just be a stowage location for the man pack rather than any form of semi permanent installation location. Thoughts?

stephen crowhurst · #3 20-03-19, 10:16

Dose anyone know what the bracket that the Variometer and Remote Control are attached to looks like, and measurements please.

Thanks Stephen

Petr Brezina · #4 16-06-21, 14:06

Hi it seems that installation of the WS19 in my carrier is on the list and I must say that Im bit confused. Its rather clear how to install set in Mk.I carrier but not perfectly sure how to do it in Mk.II or even in Mk.III.
I found pictures from Michael R. very helpful, they are so far the most clear ones. But of course, they are for Canadian made carriers which could means that there are differencies to the british ones.
Does anyone got AVS's Ns. 101,102,104 as Roberta mentioned, please? Propably they could shine some light on it?
My Carrier has in front and in the rear bars for "quick change" of the WS set and/or chorehorse unit.
Have no idea which carrier should be used on them. No.21, No.22, No.25 (modified?) or even some other?
Thanks for help

Chris Suslowicz · #5 17-06-21, 00:54

I hadn't seen this thread before!

Top left photo with the supply unit on top of the set and a different knob on the variometer is probably early prototyping work with a WS19 Mk.2.

Top right with the "bread bin" carrier may be a variant of the Sexton install that was being attempted on a universal carrier.

The last pair use a Mk.3 set on a variation (probably custom made) of the Carrier No.25. The power supply is _British_ (No.1 Mk.3) with (I think) modified keyhole slots in the top of the case for the retaining strap. It's got the mounting plates on the set carrier to mate with the table clamps (which have the bridge type shock absorbers) bolted to what I assume was the later WS19/WS29 table in the carrier. (That table is swappable with the one that has the Charging Set carrier fitted to it.) The table has a Batten 2-pt for power feed to the set, the 6-pt connector is on the front edge of the table, and the power cable to the batteries (6V 85AH) goes through the bulkhead into the front compartment and plugs into the batteries.

Top plate has a variometer on the left, with packing piece, bolted to the plate, then a No.10 aerial base (connected directly to the variometer), and finally a Control Unit No.2, connected to the set using the 'top' plug.

The rest of the connections:

The vehicle aerial base has a cable with a plug that fits the aerial socket on the No.10 base. The 12-pt harness cable and the 'B' set aerial cable pass through the trunking along the bulkhead (the 'B' set base is on the left of the vehicle, behind/on top of the bulkhead, and the harness cable goes into the front compartment for the Commander/Bren gunner's Control Unit No.1.

There's a custom made waterproof cover with zip front to protect the set - a lot better than the "drape a sheet over it" original installation.

The set is removable in one piece for use on the ground if necessary: unplug the 'B' set aerial, the drivers harness connector, and the power connector; release the table clamps, and the set can be pulled forward and lifted out. (If you're strong enough!) On the ground, use a new power cable, the spare pair of 85 Amp Hour batteries, and fit the whip (or a wire) aerial to the aerial base on the top plate. If you need the 'B' set, there's a clamp-on base and another aerial cable in the stowage.

That's my guess as to how they made it fit, anyway!

Best regards,
Chris.

Petr Brezina · #6 17-06-21, 08:41

Hi Chris, thanks for your points, very helpful as always. The pictures in the second row are from the Windsor Carrier, so for me (UC Mk.III) the first or second picture set-up should be correct I guess.
I like the "bread bin" layout but really not sure if it was generally adopted for the UC's or just experimental photo. Never seen it before. To have it in some official WS layout drawing would be great.

Chris Suslowicz · #7 18-06-21, 00:09

Hi Petr,

If Post #18 in this thread is your carrier, then it has the mounting hardware for a couple of tables, one to take the chorehorse carrier and the other with the table clamps for what is probably a variation of Carrier No.25.

How wide is the space where the mounting bars are fitted?

I've measured my Carrier No.25 and it is 25-inches (63 cm.) across.

I believe that with a suitable mounting board and table clamps, my set would be a "drop in" fit, complete with the standard waterproof cover, and that it is likely to be correct for the Mark III Universal Carrier (with WS19 Mark 3).

If that is the case I can work out the complete parts list for the carrier.

(I have been looking for photographs on the internet and am amazed at the number of Tamiya kits where people have stuck an 'A' set aerial into the 'B' set aerial base!)

Oh, and you will need three Aerial Base No.10 Mk.2 and one Aerial Base No.9 plus mounting No.1 for the carrier! (No.9 base behind the commander/gunner, one Base No.10 at front and rear, and the third one on the plate with variometer and Control Unit No.2.)

Best regards,
Chris.